Shouldn't this "Generic Business" be a slam dunk nomination now?
Firstly, yes I know there is no "slam dunk nomination", but in my mind this should be as close to one that can find in this category. I've seen a couple of other nominations of this place, but they had minimal documentation and description, so the few I've seen, I can understand was rejected under the old guidelines.
Although the way I built my nomination I thought it would qualify for those that hadn't read the new guidelines, and at least it would be a great nomination according to the new - "A great place to be social with others". The added URL is to the local city newspaper (Bergens Tidene) that ran the award, an article detailing the awards this place won.
Is there something I and my friends, who helped building the description and supporting info, have completely misunderstood?
Description:
Winner of Bergens Tidenes' award Bergen Best Kebab in 2010 and Take-away in 2011. People travel from the neighboring municipalities here when they get craving for "Daniels". The premises were renovated in 2020. If you choose to eat inside, you can look at those who play on the Lyngbø soccer field.
Supporting info: (The plaques on the supporting image is the awards they won)
As if a kebab shop that has won a city's best award 2 years in a row, in the country's second largest city, is not unique enough, Nia has also opened up to more easily approve local gathering places in the new guidelines of Nov2020. I have friends who sometimes drive 3 miles to buy a kebab here. https://www.bt.no/kultur/i/29vvq/kebabkongen-klarte-det-igjen
Comments
That should be accepted.
I feel like reviewers are still conditioned to reject restaurants more than accept, considering that the criteria was previously more strict for them.
I believe in your submission, and I think you should continue submitting it until it is accepted.
Without upgrades nominations take forever here, I have several that's been in voting since August. So I'm really not too keen on trying to get this through by trying it several times with upgrades. I'm too tired of getting good upgraded nominations rejected.
I can't read the description/supporting statement do to language barriers, but I resume that the two plaques are awards that the restaurant won. If that is the case, this should have passed, even under the old criteria. However, this exemplifies why having the "Generic Business" rejection reason did far more harm as it conditioned reviewers into believing that all businesses were ineligible reguardless of whether they clearly met a specific eligibility criteria.
Both the description and supporting info is translated in my post.
Sadly, whenever something is upgraded it most often gets rejected unless it's a gazebo...even then I've had a park gazebo upgrade rejected
@NianticCasey-ING isn't this exactly the type of nomination you stated that you guys "will be proactively reviewing previously rejected nominations that may have met the updated criteria.". This was submitted after the new criteria went live, and I really don't see how I can improve it enough to make it worth doing the job of getting it another upgrade...
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/9512/wayfarer-3-1-release-notes-new-criteria-darkmode
I'd probably 5* that nomination.
I would've accepted that one and it should've been eligible under the old criteria also.
The only suggestion to improve that I can see is around the perception of the statement "I have friends who sometimes drive 3 miles to buy a kebab here." Cultural norms around driving may make that seem like a short distance for a reviewer in a car-centric country, implying that it's not that much of a hot-spot. If there's another way to measure the popularity, I'd recommend adjusting that.
I do know that reviewers are less likely to approve newer restaurants also given the average life of a restaurant venture is 3-5 years. If it has a long history, that would also be good to add to the supporting info.
I think most who review this is from Norway, and know that 3 metric miles is roughly 30-40 minutes drive, but I see your point. The dates of the awards beeing 9 and 10 years ago, gives some idea of how long it's been around, but I will definitely add when it was established if I try to resubmit it for letting it go through the unupgraded process, which probably will take a year...
3 miles where i live is very short distance. Idk how you drive that for 30-40 minutes most people could probably run that distance in the same time you quote there
3 metric miles = 30 kilometers = 48 imperial miles... I'd like to see someone run that... 😉
Sorry anything i can google for a “metric mile” says it is 1500meters lol. But i guess learned something new here. Never use miles in Canada anyways generally only km’s :)
This is in fact not a metric mile, but a scandinavian mile. We do use metric for everything else, though.
I would 4-5 star that. Now I want kebab. Thanks for that.
Anecdote from a Finn. I was unfamiliar with the term Scandinavian mile, though we use the term "peninkulma" for similar distance.
Learnt something new today, thanks.
So I've posted this in several forums, the negative voices had the following remarks (paraphrased):
-"A place to meet people for a drink or a meal" is only for gazeboes and picnic places in parks.
-I think these are bad nominations. Soon every fast food vendor and grocery shop will be submitted. - I got this twice.
-A could maybe approve a restaurant, but not a fast food joint. Focus on what's special for this nomination.
I thought I really focused on what made this a special fast food place, when referencing the prices both in supporting photo, text and links...
The other 20+ people commenting had minor edits, said this should have been approved, or simply stated that "it will take a long time before the people know there even are new guidelines, no matter what you write in supporting info, people seldom scroll past the first image for these".
Also some stated they've tried nominating this place several times, I know these people and they usually write decent nominations, although I've seen (from other reviewers) several bad nominations for this place, so it appears as though there is really a lot of people that mean this should be accepted. Still I can't stop feeling that if it's not "the only Starbucks in a small enough town, small enough that this can be easily verified on the map" and you then link to @NianticCasey-ING 's comment about this exact type of nomination, it appears hopeless to get these through...
OK, so the "generic business" category has been opend up somewhat, but that does not mean every business submitted should be accepted. The person submitting the nomination has to provide info so we can see it is somewhere "special", and not just another store or coffeee bar or car workshop or lawyers office. These are some of the "reasons" in the supporting info I've seen doing reviews this evening.
"I’m in the military and the area I’m based at doesn’t really have many Pokestops around. This place is perfect for a Pokestop as it’s where we soldiers, along with civilians and even the local police come during work breaks to hang out with some hot food and drinks!"
"It is in a place there is not alot of pokestops or gyms. It will also help because it is in a popular location, this will really help people out."
"Popular flower shop with great public acsess walking or in the car park , Supports the local Crematorum or as a community flower shop cattering for bithdays and weddings etc , Fantstic wayspot under new criteria for supporting local buisness , no other buisness in this s17 cell"
None of this supprting information is sufficient in my opinion, these appeard in under 10 minutes of reviewing.
Tbh, That first one id probably accept if loads of the army people and civilians go there then its a local hot spot. If you're taking the pokestip thing into account, you shouldn't
I ran this through the appeals, with this thread as extra information, and got it approved. 😊
Looks like a solid nomination. Good job.
I would have accepted that and I definitely tend to be a tough reviewer. I would try again.
Agreed
Thanks, but this thread got bumped because I mentioned I got this approved by an appeal. 😁
Don't worry, I'll reject your next similar submission so we can get it in the appeal system where we at least know it will go through successfully with Niantic voting ;-)