A year of challenges and rewards - Discussion Thread

PkmnTrainerJ-INGPkmnTrainerJ-ING Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited December 2020 in General Discussion


As the news section is not open for comments, thought it was worth having a discussion thread for it.

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  • PkmnTrainerJ-INGPkmnTrainerJ-ING Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m sure it’s been difficult for the Wayfarer team (not as difficult as it’s been for the Wayfarers trudging through the literal garbage nominations though) but none of that seems too amazing.

    I don’t care that Pokémon GO now has a Wayfarer badge. Wayfarer+ has had Dark Mode for ages. Great that there’s now Russian & Thai support. Nothing else really stands out to me.

  • Belahzur-INGBelahzur-ING Posts: 456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll add my comments from the list here:

    The Korea and Poland events, was there much transparency there? I saw the post about they bumped everyone to tier 2 rewards, but I would of loved to see the actual internal numbers (how many were accepted, declined and dupes, although more interestingly would of been how many were Redacted subs and what % of the backlog was cleared)

    Forum Launch - Yeah okay, needs more moderation though, the pogo whining is ----ing unbelievable and I hate coming here because of how many threads are just "omgz wheres mah pokestop gone?!?!?"

    Forum link in Wayfarer - 10 second job to add a link to a HTML page, completely irrelevant

    Wayfarer Medal in PoGo - It's alright, the numbers could of been a bit higher considering Recon is 5k for Platinum, but as usual they gave it easy mode.

    Image Reviews - Kinda cool, much easier process, I've had better results with Wayfarer image results than I did with NiaOps reviewing them.

    End-of-Queue message - Lies, E17 and the whole of east London says otherwise.

    Updated rating bar - Useless, didn't change anything, people dropping rating still don't know why.

    New criteria page - Meh, it's alright but still needs work, there's more that needs adding to it.

    Dark Mode - Cool, the 1 good thing to see Nia pulling from WF+

    More Languages - Useful to those specific regions I guess

    Showcase - Still rubbish, the highlights I get are 1 sentence descriptions that are complete garbage, I've seen other submissions with much more effort.

    Training quiz - Still too easy

    Categories List - 50/50, it's alright but confusing as people use it to say "this is eligible" when it really isn't.

    Rejection reasons - Useless, people still pick the incorrect rejections because there's no punishment or downside to doing so, so it makes 0 difference.

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    Overall Wayfarer is still OPR but is nowhere near adapted to deal with the numbers of (garbage) submissions coming from the PoGo side with the insane amounts of begging for pokestops and dealing with the backlog.

  • Belahzur-INGBelahzur-ING Posts: 456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll just add in a small section of comments:

    Poland and Korea event - Was there much (if any) transparency there? I'd like to see the internal numbers (accepted/decline/dupe) and how many of them were Redacted vs Prime, with what % of the backlog was cleared.

    End-of-Queue message - Complete lies, E17 and the whole of east London says otherwise.

    Showcase - Still rubbish, I've seen much better stuff than then 1-line description stuff I see on my showcase, minimal effort submissions with little value of anything.

  • PkmnTrainerJ-INGPkmnTrainerJ-ING Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good point about Pokémon GO & Ingress.

    I had totally forgotten that there’s still a Wayfarer related issues with POI not syncing to Harry Potter: Wizards Unite which doesn’t seem to have been looked at really.

  • oscarc1-INGoscarc1-ING Posts: 347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2020

    Agreed with the above.

    March: Wayfarer community forum launch!

    ^This was a great step forward

    May: Adding link to Forum in Wayfarer

    Why is this considered as a notable achievement, for an entire month? This is literally a two second job of just adding a hyperlink


    Everything else is fine and mostly it's pretty lacklustre. Where is the drive to fix the system? Educate reviewers and nominators? Bring people back to reviewing?

    2020 saw a huge rise in the number of reviews due to a mix of people coming from PoGo in late 2019 and also due to being stuck at home due to COVID-19 lockdowns. However, around April/May masses of people stopped reviewing entirely, due to numerous system bugs (sudden random red rating, perpetual cooldowns, nothing to review, etc.) and the constant literal garbage that kept coming up to review. Yet Niantic does nothing.

    At the start of the year, I would do 100-200 reviews a day. Now I'm lucky to do 10 a week. Wayfarer has turned into a clogged up broken system and Niantic's inaction had led to it never being worthwhile to review, let alone nominate again - some of us want to, but the way things are handled means it either cannot be done or it's simply not worth it.

    Well done, COVID-19 wasn't the only worst thing about the year, but Wayfarer was too.

  • 3car-ING3car-ING Posts: 191 ✭✭✭

    As a Korean the S. Korea event was a disaster. We had to get in touch with vanguards because the wayfarer lag was super duper slow-almost unavailable to review at all. I used my bonus location for the first time because of that.

  • aaronvianno-INGaaronvianno-ING Posts: 90 ✭✭✭

    Why are Myanmar & North Korea blue?

  • Aeringer-PGOAeringer-PGO Posts: 5 ✭✭

    Doing ny beat need help like crazy

  • MASTERKEY178-INGMASTERKEY178-ING Posts: 57 ✭✭

    Cooll thread, lots of -ING)

    This year was the year of trainers. Next year should be a year of agents?)

    Can someone tell me if I can start a poll? I tried, after tapping on "Save" - this happened:


  • patsufredo-PGOpatsufredo-PGO Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One more, since the Go Beyond update why Platinum Wayfarer badge in PoGO only need 1500 agreements (compared from Gold medal that only need 1000 agreements), while every other Platinum badges in the game need even a harder requirements?

    I understand if most people don't want to review in Wayfarer by many reasons, but isn't 1500 agreements just like, easier to achieve (apart from facing too many cooldowns and/or no nomination to review)?

  • Kellerrys-INGKellerrys-ING Posts: 694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TLDR for myself; Wayfarer team and I operate in different realities.

  • rodensteiner-INGrodensteiner-ING Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Wayfarer Team isnt really a team. as NianticCasey pointed out, theres someone from accounting, someone that does tech, someone from PR, someone that brings the bagels, someone that does the dishes.

    As i understand, they get together once in a while (presumably now with Teams/Zoom) and discuss things.

    There is no way that everyone did 32 reviews.

    370.000 peeps did the test, and made it. about 320.000 did 2-3 reviews, and then moved on with life.

    Id say about 49.000 people do reviews on a regulary weekly base.

    About 1.000 people will be the ones that did the majority of those 12 Million reviews. I did 10k since June 2019.

  • WheelTrekker-INGWheelTrekker-ING Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That average of 32 reviews provides the answer about why so many people hit the "nothing more to review". Of course that's not the real average of the people that usually review, but as soon as you start reviewing a little ahead of the real average you're more likely to stay ahead of other reviewers in your region and you hit the end of the queue of the nominations that can be reviewed.

  • TheFarix-PGOTheFarix-PGO Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you are misinterpreting things a bit. Anyone who submits a nomination automatically creates a Wayfarer account. So the 370,000 number is a reflection of how many accounts that have submitted at least one nomination. It doesn't mean that 370,000 people logged into the website to review. And even if you want to claim that 370,000 accounts are solely from logged into into the website, a significant number only do so to track their nominations. And then there is the not so small portion of the remaining that failed the Reviewer Test...twice. So that further diminishes how many of those accounts are reviewing.

  • MASTERKEY178-INGMASTERKEY178-ING Posts: 57 ✭✭

    One more challenge for me: understand wayfinders.

    ¿Resistance? wayfinders changed location of legendary portal in Chornobyl - Exterminator. Just to drop existing links.

    This is hypothesis. Maybe Niantic can tell for sure?

    IMHO biggest accident of the year in Wayfarer.

  • Raachermannl-INGRaachermannl-ING Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @NianticCasey-ING

    You called it "Improved end-of-queue messaging". I think that was nowhere before stated.

    Our social media put this message in a row with the 4h and 24h bans for reviewing in a too fast way or with repeating patterns. The reason is simple: there are people from my region, who get these message. But evry active submitter from my region should have a big queue of candidates, that is labled "in queue", and that for months, or years. This should be impossible, if that is really a "end of queue" message.

    So we saw the connection more with the temporary bans, instead of the joke of the end of a queue....


    So again: Please check your wayfarer code mess. And do something against dead cells, or how your team calls it dry voting zones. Our region doesnt have a lack of reviewers - its simply the problem of your prioritization algorithm!

    The problem with the dead regions is still untouched, and it gets worse and worse. My thread to this topic is still highlighting a ongoing problem .....

    https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/6453/waiting-times-and-the-motivational-problem#latest

  • Raachermannl-INGRaachermannl-ING Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dont want to count my own submissions, that are stuck "in queue" for lots of months. It would be dozens, possibly over hundred on both accounts together....

    Counting them would make me only sad and waste my time ...

  • rodensteiner-INGrodensteiner-ING Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭✭✭

    also, i just wanted to add that, if i may speak for everyone on the forums:

    Please do not add anything new to wayfarer. Concentrate on fixing the system.

    The Spring/Summer Roadmap should only contain Fixes.

  • SiIverLyra-PGOSiIverLyra-PGO Posts: 816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is a technical note, but the West Bank is incorrectly marked as a body of water in the world map in Casey's post. 😅

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