Poi accepted but not in location that was submitted
Dam0clees-PGO
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Hey all!
recently I had a nomination accepted (yay!) unfortunately, it was not in the location that I had originally submitted it at. how often does this happen? and if a submission needs an edit to the location, why are we the submitter not allowed to have the final say? Would it be helpful if before it is accepted a message is sent to the original submitter saying something like: "Reviewers have accepted your nomination but have suggested a new location" and then produce a map just like when we are asked to place a pin on the most accurate location; we are able to see our original submission placement and then see where the reviewers suggested it should go. we then can decide if it should be where we wanted or where it was suggested. also, the reviewer should put their reasoning as to why they moved it.
thoughts?
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Which location is right?
they were both "valid" locations in my opinion, but its the idea that if it is moved without the submitter knowing, it no longer becomes their submission.
The location is usually moved when access is not secure or is far from the real indication.
access was not secure, and it was within 10 feet of the original submission. so it was just weird that it was moved, like I said, making it no longer my submission.
sorry access was not insecure
Reviewers always have the ability to move the pin to a more accurate location.
We don't know how the internals work when it happens, but I can speculate. My guess is that if a large enough percentage of the reviewers move the pin then it is moved to the consensus of the reviewers who moved the pin. Whether that is true and how consensus is calculated is anyone's guess.
Submitters should NOT have final say on moves, as this opens up abuse opportunities. It's easy for someone to misplace a pin on a playground in a park, for example, so that it's within range of their homes. The reviewers could move it to the correct location, and if the submitter has the final say then they could move it back off the submission so that it's within range of their home.
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I agree with that completely, i had forgotten things like that happen. I appreciate the feedback.
It does bug me when they move it a little bit to make it more 'accurate' but doing so makes it just slightly too close to another POI or just out of that level 17 cell that it doesnt go live in a game, it becomes nitpicking at some point
I understand the need to do it to prevent abuse of cell rules and having accurate wayspots but if its in the right place already just don't mess with it, it most likely just slows the whole review process down anyway, which is gruelling enough.
Absolutely!
I think that there are people who knowingly do this to prevent the poi's from appearing in any game, and it is unfortunate. i think that being acurate is important, but perhapts if it is moved by the reviewer a warning should appear saying: "this is now too close to an existing poi." or "your location edit will prevent this poi from being utilized in all niantic games." I think it would prevent a lot of aggravation towards niantic, and help create better reviewers who want to review and arent discouraged when they wait a week or more to earn an upgrade, only to find out its been rejected for a questionable reason, or in my case it was moved to a new location.
Hey folks,
Let me clarify how suggested locations work. If enough Wayfinders suggest a new real-world location and an Agreement is reached, Wayfarer will automatically reposition the Wayspot if it is accepted.
I had a case like this where there were 2 trail marker signs relatively close to each other, (the path left the road and zig zagged down a bank to join the towpath, with a marker by the road and another by the water) and reviewers moved my submission to the incorrect sign, presumably just because that one was on street view. It didn't even look the same shape or background. It took about 15 location edits to get it back to where the actual sign is because my edits kept getting denied.
I don't know why reviewers feel the need to change this stuff, especially nitpicky things like moving it 10m when it was already correct - just checking street view does not make them an expert on the area and I feel like there's a risk they sometimes make it less accurate rather than more accurate!
My reasons for moving a Pin on review:
Moving the pin to the side of a football pitch or tennis court etc, so the pin is not in the middle of the play area.
Moving the pin so the pin is at the front door of a large building such as a Church, rather than being bang in the middle of the building and difficult to scan / spin from the outside
Moving the pin to the entrance of a playground so you can scan it without having to enter the playground itself - no one wants to see a bunch of middle-aged "wierdos" hanging around in a kids playground...
Finally, and most importantly, moving the pin on to the actual location of the POI tha we can see on Streetview or Satellite view.
Ganda Aaron! You even have a Pokemon named after you, and you both have so many things in common!
Thank you for clarifying this. Who would have thought that a FEATURE that allows reviewers to suggest another location, would actually be able to change the location?
Now, when is the cooldown bug being adressed?
Thank you kindly for this confirmation! I suppose those that submit often have had this happen to them more than once, but it is good to have it confirmed.
I wonder if you can go into a bit more detail though? What % of Wayfinders need to move the pin during review for this to happen? What happens if, for example, 20% move it to the left a bit, and 30% move it to the right a bit? Is the final location an average of every movement during review?
Hello @TurckoPT-ING,
It is not possible for us to tell the exact number of suggestions required for the Wayspot to appear at the suggested location. All we can tell you is that this number depends on the profile ratings of each individual reviewer.
@NianticAaron-ING Thank you for providing this rare insight into the internals. It is greatly appreciated, because it gives us a definitive answer for people who insist that one reviewer moved their pin and that ruined their plans.
Is there any chance that you would be able to comment on my question about whether reviews that haven't yet reached a consensus are counted for the Great/Good/Fair/Poor rating? I know some people who won't review many things at once because they're worried that the outstanding reviews will tank their rating, so the question is really "Is it safe to a lot of stuff in a short period of time?" https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/11001/niantic-question-are-unresolved-reviews-counted-against-your-rating
In my experience, if you do a lot of reviews in one go, you can often see your rating "dip" and then go back to where it was before a few hours later.
I kind of dissagree only with the church and playground nominations. If its on the building there really is no need to move it. The location it represents is correct and it very well be moved there to keep spacing. Same with playground it should be on the pkayground not at the entrance of the park itself.
those things are just nitpicky and for people who position a stop on the playground/church which are still valid to meet the spacing requirement it would be extremely frustrating to see happen
Had a situation like this.
Submitted a mural (on the correct location) and it passed the wayfarer however it somehow ended up being somewhere else (on the wrong location).
I just had this happen to, I submitted a playground and place it on the edge of the playground, and the reviewers decided to place it right in the middle of the playground. Not only did this prevent it from appearing in the game it was submitted in, but it made it so it would be difficult to get anything else in that s2 cell since it was a lone playground and a half court (which was accepted and appeared in game) but it was right on the corner of an s2 cell and the entire rest of the cell is in a municipal airport. Sometimes I really do think that there are players of specific games that try to take advantage of reviewing for their own power trip instead of asking, hmm how can I make this decision best for everyone in all games.
Move ut back, imo, the waypoint for a park should be at the edge, not the middle, it's less creepy for adults to be at the edge of a play park, rather than right in the middle of it
Actually the mechanics are known of exactly how many reviewers are needed to move a nomination
"Creepy" should not be a consideration when placing a Wayspot. It should be at the most accurate or logical point of discover as possible. For a playground, that would be on one of the pieces of equipment (most playgrounds now consists of a single playset or center) or even the middle of the playground. If placing a Wayspot on the playground is "creepy" to you, then perhaps you shouldn't be approving them in the first place.
Reviewers won't know where the "cell boundries" are. If a Wayspot looks misplaced, then reviewers are free the move it during the review. And as I said above, the most logical place for a playground Wayspot is in the middle of the playground or on one of the pieces of equipment. If that is not where you put the Wayspot, then expect it to be changed.
I would if I had the ability, since I don’t live close enough, nor do I have a sufficiently high enough level on another platform to suggest the move.
I have the opposite view - the best place for a playground pin is at the gate or entrance way to the playground, not slap bang in the middle of it.
I completely agree, entrance not right in the middle
i do agree that ideas around creepiness shouldn’t apply, just as convenience doesn’t apply.
But why wouldn’t it be at an obvious entrance ?
For other places we have clear guidance that it should be at the natural place of discovery …..which is a fancy way of saying the entrance.
Admittedly not all play areas are fenced off so there is a judgement call in those instances, but unless it seems very bizarre, and is on the playground I would accept what the submitter had given. Moving it should only be because it is fundamentally wrong and not because I have a personal preference for where it should be.
How do we know this and what is it please.