Great. For the future; screenshots of your actual nomination help much more than several photos without context and info drop feeded ( o = i, interesting autocensor there) in several posts.
Ah! Macclesfield! Now we're finally getting somewhere! There's a photo of your covered walkway in its prime at https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/parkside-asylum-macclesfield.10978/ It looks much better there doesn't it with a proper roof on it and no fencing? If you submitted it once the current restoration is complete and it looks something more like that again, you might have a better candidate, I'd have thought.
No idea when it will be finished... they didn't start yet...
That's why I proposed to use the photo of part of the structure, without the fence.
But, and here's the big but... those who rejected it twice stated the reason was it's wasn't on a public right if way do asked for wide angle photos. Catch 22
First of all, incorrect rejection reasons really are a big problem in the system.
However, most comments in this thread agreed that the structure doesn't really seem eligible and that you'd have to make a very good case for it and it will still be a toss-up at best. Could you please share your improved nomination (photos, title, description and supporting text)?
Also, I'm having doubts about the "all the comments noted" part because you still don't seem to understand that it's not single person rejecting your nomination, it's a community consensus.
I do know it's a group decision, but I'm speechless as to why.
I've gone through all the comments and criteria and it meets then all... it's in a public place, of architectural interest, away from schools, safe, grade 2 listed. What else can I add ?
Your nomination is barely visible in several of your photos.
We can see trees, grass, a road, fences, ....
It has been know for a long time that many times people choose the wrong rejection reason. Usually you must not focus on the text of the rejection reason and instead think like someone that sees that photo and description for the first time and it's really able to understand the value of your nomination.
It's useless showing us tons of photos. Your nomination is one photo and one supporting photo, you must use them in the best possible way so that someone looking at them in a phone can see your nomination clearly.
And again: with those fences around it's hard for anyone to give it 5*, they will wonder why is it fenced. Is it dangerous?, is it being removed? ...
Agreed with @WheelTrekker-ING take a screenshot of your nomination with the description and also the supporting picture and info. Thats what we really need for context to see how you nominate it.
Giving us tons of photos but no. Of your actual nomination doesnt help us rate your nomination. Essentially we need to see what the reviewers would see for us to actually help you. If you decide to do that great we can help but us helping still will not make the nomination pass
Are the un- named people who make the decision to accept our reject suggested new pokestops actually reading and contribution to this forum ?
Photos like the 2 attached and starring it's grade 2, in a public place, safe, away from schools... please tell me what else is needed ? It's not a natural feature, it's not on private land (reasons given for previous rejections).
Also, just because something is "eligible", does not mean it must be accepted. At the moment there is very little of interest in any of your photos, and I would most likely reject it as I don't see it scoring highly on any category. This seems to be the view of the majority of people (ie quite a few more than one ) who have voted on your submission and rejected it - you can't blame 1 person.
Next question - does it meet any of the rejection criteria? Or you could read the guidelines, which say:
"But remember that eligibility alone isn't sufficient to turn a nomination into an accepted Wayspot. Carefully consider the eligibility criteria, along with the acceptance criteria, rejection criteria, and content guidelines, when evaluating nominations."
There is a lot of latitude in some of the criteria, even more so in the 3.1 guidelines.
Still seems to me that it's just a whim of some random mods rather than anything tangeable...a local kids playground is accepted, but this grade 2 feature isn't. Madness.
All the 5x proposals. All the topping on this forum. All meaningless if random mods "don't like" a perfectly acceptable stop.
A few days ago I spent quite a lot of time trying to explain that your nomination would be absolutely fine once it was restored - once I'd finally extracted from you where it was! The last time I visited Macclesfield for the football I had some free time to explore the town a bit, which I did based on where I could see clusters of Wayspots, and by doing so I found all sorts of cool stuff. I would have been more than happy to have been guided to walk past the structure in your submission - as it looks in the photo at https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/parkside-asylum-macclesfield.10978/ - and if it looked like that now I would say it was a 4* at least and easy to get accepted. Unique architecture, hidden gem etc.
At the moment, however, you're nominating a building site and it's not working. No one is abusing their power or going on an ego trip or failing to see the obvious. Yes, you're getting some dumb rejection reasons like natural feature but that happens all the time. You have a valid Wayspot - but not at the moment. I am one of your target audience - an occasional visitor to Macclesfield who plays PoGo and Ingress and likes finding interesting stuff. Please understand what people are trying to say to you.
I will try to make this as clear as humanly possible.
There are no mods who accept or reject stuff.
Playgrounds are to be almost automatically accepted (unless they're K12).
Your nomination doesn't appear to be good at all.
Please, for the love of everything you might consider holy, show us your entire nomination. Not just the pictures, but the full nomination complete with title, description, supporting text and location.
If you don't show us your nomination in its entirety, we will continue to be unable to help you.
Comments
"Nothing to hide."
Great. For the future; screenshots of your actual nomination help much more than several photos without context and info drop feeded ( o = i, interesting autocensor there) in several posts.
Ah! Macclesfield! Now we're finally getting somewhere! There's a photo of your covered walkway in its prime at https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/parkside-asylum-macclesfield.10978/ It looks much better there doesn't it with a proper roof on it and no fencing? If you submitted it once the current restoration is complete and it looks something more like that again, you might have a better candidate, I'd have thought.
With that fence it looks really bad. You must work extra to compensate for that.
No idea when it will be finished... they didn't start yet...
That's why I proposed to use the photo of part of the structure, without the fence.
But, and here's the big but... those who rejected it twice stated the reason was it's wasn't on a public right if way do asked for wide angle photos. Catch 22
I've resubmitted it again, with all the comments noted.
The covered walkways had now been rejected as they think its a "natural feature"...
Clearly an abuser of power, or dumb as a mule.
First of all, incorrect rejection reasons really are a big problem in the system.
However, most comments in this thread agreed that the structure doesn't really seem eligible and that you'd have to make a very good case for it and it will still be a toss-up at best. Could you please share your improved nomination (photos, title, description and supporting text)?
Also, I'm having doubts about the "all the comments noted" part because you still don't seem to understand that it's not single person rejecting your nomination, it's a community consensus.
I do know it's a group decision, but I'm speechless as to why.
I've gone through all the comments and criteria and it meets then all... it's in a public place, of architectural interest, away from schools, safe, grade 2 listed. What else can I add ?
Can you really not see the fence round it that stops it being publicly accessible?
There are 2 paths. 2m apart.
Both are visible in the photos submitted.
Photo attached. You can see the 2nd public open path
So.... how can this be rejected as someone (or worse, some group) thinks it's a "natural feature"...
It really showed look to me like those rejecting are abusing the position of trust they have been granted.
You're still spamming photos that don't tell anything about your your nomination. Either post screenshots of your nomination or just... stop.
I've uploaded and shared about 12 photos, all told. There are only so many ways to photo a covered walkway...
Still, you don't explain why it's rejected as a "natural feature". How can this be a natural feature ? It's clearly manmade.
Miderator abuse, I'm starting to think
Your nomination is barely visible in several of your photos.
We can see trees, grass, a road, fences, ....
It has been know for a long time that many times people choose the wrong rejection reason. Usually you must not focus on the text of the rejection reason and instead think like someone that sees that photo and description for the first time and it's really able to understand the value of your nomination.
It's useless showing us tons of photos. Your nomination is one photo and one supporting photo, you must use them in the best possible way so that someone looking at them in a phone can see your nomination clearly.
And again: with those fences around it's hard for anyone to give it 5*, they will wonder why is it fenced. Is it dangerous?, is it being removed? ...
Agreed with @WheelTrekker-ING take a screenshot of your nomination with the description and also the supporting picture and info. Thats what we really need for context to see how you nominate it.
Giving us tons of photos but no. Of your actual nomination doesnt help us rate your nomination. Essentially we need to see what the reviewers would see for us to actually help you. If you decide to do that great we can help but us helping still will not make the nomination pass
Up to you
I'm unsure what else to do. When I show close up photos, I'm asked for wider. When I show wide, I'm asked for close up.
If the reason for rejection is bogus then it feels like they can't find a true reason for rejection, they just pick one randomly.
Nobody can progress in such a situation
Are the un- named people who make the decision to accept our reject suggested new pokestops actually reading and contribution to this forum ?
Photos like the 2 attached and starring it's grade 2, in a public place, safe, away from schools... please tell me what else is needed ? It's not a natural feature, it's not on private land (reasons given for previous rejections).
I'm stuck and bewildered by the behaviour of some
Let me help you with an example. This is what we want to see
Hopefully with this you can see what we want to see.
Also, just because something is "eligible", does not mean it must be accepted. At the moment there is very little of interest in any of your photos, and I would most likely reject it as I don't see it scoring highly on any category. This seems to be the view of the majority of people (ie quite a few more than one ) who have voted on your submission and rejected it - you can't blame 1 person.
I'm not blaming 1 person, in fact I started several times about the group.
It meets the criteria, I'm hearing. But just because a few "don't like it", it gets rejected. That's hardly a valid reason...
It meets the elegability - fine.
Next question - does it meet any of the rejection criteria? Or you could read the guidelines, which say:
"But remember that eligibility alone isn't sufficient to turn a nomination into an accepted Wayspot. Carefully consider the eligibility criteria, along with the acceptance criteria, rejection criteria, and content guidelines, when evaluating nominations."
There is a lot of latitude in some of the criteria, even more so in the 3.1 guidelines.
Yes, I read them.
Still seems to me that it's just a whim of some random mods rather than anything tangeable...a local kids playground is accepted, but this grade 2 feature isn't. Madness.
All the 5x proposals. All the topping on this forum. All meaningless if random mods "don't like" a perfectly acceptable stop.
Madness, I say, madness.
A few days ago I spent quite a lot of time trying to explain that your nomination would be absolutely fine once it was restored - once I'd finally extracted from you where it was! The last time I visited Macclesfield for the football I had some free time to explore the town a bit, which I did based on where I could see clusters of Wayspots, and by doing so I found all sorts of cool stuff. I would have been more than happy to have been guided to walk past the structure in your submission - as it looks in the photo at https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/parkside-asylum-macclesfield.10978/ - and if it looked like that now I would say it was a 4* at least and easy to get accepted. Unique architecture, hidden gem etc.
At the moment, however, you're nominating a building site and it's not working. No one is abusing their power or going on an ego trip or failing to see the obvious. Yes, you're getting some dumb rejection reasons like natural feature but that happens all the time. You have a valid Wayspot - but not at the moment. I am one of your target audience - an occasional visitor to Macclesfield who plays PoGo and Ingress and likes finding interesting stuff. Please understand what people are trying to say to you.
Dookie,
I'd be happy to show you the stop next time you are here.
Please message me and we'll meet up.
I will try to make this as clear as humanly possible.
There are no mods who accept or reject stuff.
Playgrounds are to be almost automatically accepted (unless they're K12).
Your nomination doesn't appear to be good at all.
Please, for the love of everything you might consider holy, show us your entire nomination. Not just the pictures, but the full nomination complete with title, description, supporting text and location.
If you don't show us your nomination in its entirety, we will continue to be unable to help you.
Just don't call a pavilion a gazebo, as was done in this example. 😁
Haha yeah that was my mistake and tbh they are pretty much the exact same thing 😂 But i get that