Report on mass Wayfarer abuse removed?
TheFarix-PGO
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Yesterday, I posted information from Reddit about a mass cluster of Pokestops in Spain that could only have been created through mass Wayfarer abuse, but this morning that post is gone. I have not gotten any notification that it violated any of the community or player guidelines nor do I see how they would. @NianticCasey-ING, you said you had a long discussion with the moderators and that only posts that violate the community or player guidelines should be removed, yet it still seems they are removing random posts with no rhyme or reason.
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Hi there, @TheFarix-PGO! Could you please let me know if you have created a discussion or commented on an existing one? Also, I understand this might be a hassle for you however, I would appreciate it if you can resubmit the post. We'll have it reviewed and follow-up with you!
I had created a new discussion at the time. It doesn't show up on my history though.
Here is the link to the Reddit thread
I can confirm that @TheFarix-PGO had shared this information in a previous discussion thread they had created, and I'm sure @Hosette-ING can recall making a comment on it, too.
The flat out removal of abuse reports and other random topics for no apparent reason creates a chilling affect on posters here that discourages them from reporting abuse cases or even asking questions about process. @NianticCasey-ING, I do hope you have a long talk with the moderation team and even removed thoses who have got rogue and removing posts that don't violate the Community Gudelines (even if THEY think they are doing is beneficial).
We would never remove a post without notifying the user unless it is a duplicate of a published post.
Also, @NianticCasey-ING, will you still be considering looking into easing edits causing comments to go into moderation as you mentioned in a deleted forum Bug Report, or should the report be reissued?
Isnt this somewhere in Spain? Remember sawing this somewhere here.
Yes, I posted it yesterday. It had gone through moderation because it included an image, but the post was removed when I came on this morning. I'm not going to post any more details beyond the link to the Reddit thread now since it clearly wasn't wanted by someone on the moderation team.
https://intel.ingress.com/?ll=41.66139,-0.894071&z=18
I wonder if Niantic strategically decides to leave some spoofer havens open as a means of extra money. I can't imagine how much income some of those areas bring in.
Given the general attitude related to multi-accounting and spoofing, it wouldn't be a real surprise.
Take it easy. My Invalid Wayspot Appeals posts are also prone to be removed during moderation for unknown reasons. I'd recommend that using this forum to report problems around your living area only, rather than try to help with the overall quality of Wayfarer throughout the world. You know what I mean.
If they don't want us to fix their contaminated database that's fine with me. But in that case they should just tell us. Given all the work people put in this is just disrespectful.
We are here to evaluate new requests and not complain about the location that has many portals, pokestops or gymnasiums.
If people see places with an overload of wayspots or invalid nominations they might think that this is normal, and that they can do the same and that leads to bad nominations and abuse of the system.
So the sooner that the problem is prevented, the better for all of the wayfarers.
This is a very old problem that has not been solved by Niantic.
Whoever has the power to review these abuses is Niantic, who certainly knows. Why are there still players using applications that simulate localization and Niantic did nothing about it?
As long as the Portals/Pokestops/Gyms are physically exist, located on their accurate location, and not as the result of abusive activities, they're fine.
I mean, hundreds of fake Wayspots in Germany reported in this forum aren't done without any reason.
The problem is, that such clusters only exists because of abuse. You had to submit it somewhere different and then edit its location to this place. Whoever submitted it did abuse the system.
And who approved these changes in location? After all, who approves are we who are the evaluators?
We approved the edit to the correct location. No abuse^^
I understand that in addition to these people who request abusive modification, we also have evaluators who approve and end up committing these abuses.
After all, only requesting a change of location also needs to be approved.
Why are you defending an obvious case of Wayfarer abuse?
Will someone somewhere formally say something like "Oh actually I just need you review some submissions around you, save your efforts in trying to retrofit the entire system because that's not needed"? I don't think so. However frequently removing my Invalid Portal Report posts during moderation with no reasons given, and massively deleting old, historical posts even including Bug Reports (of mine and others) implied that, as far as I can see. Efforts beyond typical reports will be in vain.
What I suggested was based on pragmatism and that definitely would make life easier here. The mutliple Disagree received for that comment makes me feel funny. As a player focusing on fighting with Wayfarer abu.sers I did't receive any awards from both Niantic and the others but a bunch of Disagree from abu.sers and weird anonymous users. If that makes somebody feel comfortable, just keep clicking. I won't feel disrespected at all just as Niantic won't need us to improve the system.
I am arguing that Niantic needs to assess whether these points really are real or not and to investigate which appraisers approved something abusive, and that everyone who is proven to have actually committed an abuse should be punished.
Let me summaries what you said earlier. "We are only here to approve Wayspots, not to report clear cases of abuse when we see it."
Either you don't know how to read or my use of the translator is wrong, I only speak Portuguese. what I wanted to say is
"We are here to assess new requests by approving whether they are eligible or failing if they are not eligible, who should really confirm whether these cases are abusive or not is Niantic, we should only report."
Reminds me on this one
Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy!
Why did you keep posting different theories contradicting to each other in this post? Are you one of the stakeholders of this ab.use and trying to mess around?
Why do you keep posting different theories contradicting to each other in this post? Are you one of the stakeholders of this ab.use and trying to mess around?
Why do you keep posting different theories contradicting to each other in this post? Are you one of the stakeholders of this ab.use and trying to mess around?
Do you have evidence of this action?
You should work harder and speak less.