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TheOneAndrew-PGO
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Hey Guys;
someone has nominated this public play area and while it is clearly meant for public use, I am also kind of tempted to say PRP because part of the boundary is someone’s garage wall?...
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yep, thats an eligeble nomination.
Its public use. The wall is there to prevent people from going onto someones yard. You can see access to it from street sidewalks.
The help text in the 1* menu says "single family residences" while the rejection criteria says "private residential property". On streetview that house seems to be a vertically split house (so private, but not single family) and I guess it depends on which criteria text you want to use.
I tend to just skip these to protect my rating. I've completely given up trying to figure out which instruction is correct and it seems like a gamble with the rating whichever way you vote.
This is a public playground. You can see two entrances from the street. It is not even on the property, its on free ground. 100% eligeble in my eyes.
I agree that this is eligible. There is plenty of room to play without trespassing on the private residential property.
I would say it is an acceptable playground. If the pin had been placed near the house, I would move it to the entrance, away from the home.
The house is a typical "end of terrace" single family PRP of the type you see in the UK all over the place, it's not "split".
Seems to be public playground for me. Just being next to someone's house doesn't make it fall under PRP rejection reason.
Though, at least it needs a sign as a further proof.
I wasn't saying it isn't. To me this is a perfectly fine waypoint. To a lot of other reviewers it isn't (*).
I was saying the criteria is confusing.
* I am basing that on having several playgrounds that are clearly not on private property declined as private proerty after the criteria change. I submitted them to see if the update had any kind of effect. Maybe it's different in other areas.
So they just got 2 garages and 2 main doors? Is this really common in the UK?
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1379174,-0.1288528,3a,75y,159.21h,70.34t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ0H2zj5oxkG5LwqpASlJmw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1377171,-0.1288871,3a,75y,70.31h,77.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAkcy7PQrPIwBv1w4wM09vw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Looking at a street view map without the arrows in the way, the way the entrances are set up with the gates, I'd believe, if I was to look at this and make a decision, that it really was a private residence's playground
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1379293,-0.1289816,3a,50.3y,108.08h,83.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQem9UqIkwJwVmuCgu8cPzQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQem9UqIkwJwVmuCgu8cPzQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D95.007935%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
But then again, from seeing how some people are saying otherwise, if there is proof that is 100% a public playground, then I'd be ok with this. Just the set up gives me some questions.
All the entrances/gates go to the street/sidewalk. The gates are not there to keep people out, but to keep the kids in, so parents can talk to each other without worrying their kids will be on the street if they don't look for 2 seconds.
This is highly likely a public playground.
I'm not seeing any evidence that it is part of a yard to a private residential property. Although each unit has its own private yard, this playground isn't linked to any of them and all access points are from the street.
This is a typical "semi-detached" property found in the UK. There are two separate properties in the building, joined together. They don't appear much in the USA, where "multi-occupancy" properties are more likely to be apartment blocks and the like, leading to some confusion over what is or isn't "PRP" at times. I think most UK reviewers would class these as PRP, I know I do.
@sogNinjaman-ING In the US we call them duplexes. They are a bit more common than you think, but there are definitely more of them in Europe.
Thanks - I always wondered what a "duplex apartment" was. 😀
We have them in Canada as well. Duplexes basically being. Semi detached. You can also find townhouses which are a row of semi-detached but you find them more in urban areas closer to city central areas
A duplex is a split house. One family lives on one side and another family lives on the other. Though in some cases the home may be split along floors. Either way, the two half are not structurally independent from one another. Sometimes, each family owns their half of the building and the land that their half sits on.
I was struggling to figure out what to call them in English too, so I just literally translated it from the Norwegian term and crossed my fingers. Duplex is noted. I wouldn't consider it a single family residence any more than I would consider each appartment in a housing block to be.
But all this is tangential to the original post, I am seeing a lot of confusion and mixing of terms when it comes to playgrounds close to structures people live in and I don't feel it's easy to say which way any such nomination is going to go.
@52cucumbers-ING I think a duplex is actually closer to a single-family home than to an apartment. The difference is that the land that a duplex sits on is nearly always owned by the homeowner(s). In an apartment building or condo the land is mostly or entirely common area. That's true in the US, at least.
A single apartment inside an apartment complex is also single-family private residential property. Just like any house or duplex. objects can only be accepted if they are in common area's inside an apartment complex.
Duplexes usually have no common area's, so they are single-family private residential property.
The playground this thread is about appears to be a separate entity, in a common area. So single-family private residential property does not apply to it.
And I absolutely get that part too. I'm just saying I can see how someone could see that with how that's set up (especially up against the house), and think it's a private yard instead of a public playground.