A new request turned into a gym in pokemon go
MarioSGodoy87-PGO
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Good morning everyone,
A strange thing happened in my last request, instead of the new request it appears in the game pokemon go as pokestop appeared directly as gym, leaving other pokestop that are older and in a better location as pokestop. Does anyone know how this works?
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An automatic system decides whether a new POI in PGO will be a PokeStop or a Gym.
Normally, there were a clear system but since a few weeks, this system changed and there is no similarity to any "rule" discovered yet.
I think that should be better informed by Niantic, we had other older pokestops in this region that are in leisure squares where there is a greater flow of players and deserved to be gymnasiums, now we have two gymnasiums next to each other.
Niantic doesnt want their system to be public. And also, it was very good to only have one wayfarer in a region deciting where new gyms should come to. Otherwise it will be a war between players. I liked the old system, maybe the new system has some similarities to it, but I am not spreading theories.
Having two gyms next to each other is nice for some things like raid hours and such :)
It seems that the more players know about the system, the more likely they are to abuse it so they may have introduced more randomness to counter that. We simply don't know yet.
I understand that we should be concerned with this, I just hope that the new system is fair and distributes the gymnasiums in a way that can serve everyone in the community.
"A war between players" and "abuse" do not describe what I saw people using their knowledge of the rules for. As the local experts, these players manipulated their knowledge of the (rather silly) Ingress photo like system to assign gyms in a way that was beneficial for local players. Due to their efforts, gyms mostly remained in easily accessible public locations where people could congregate.
There was no abuse, there was no war, there was only a better game for all players in the area. Now that system no longer exists and the game is worse for that.
you could also totally abuse this in combination with edit abuse. Just create a gym and move it right to a specific place
thats true. Right here, all kinds of cell rules and proximity got broken.
Niantic changed the systems because of widespread abuse and manipulation to benefit one specific game to the detrement of all other games and future improvements to Wayspots.
What I have seen so far is that the gym is badly distributed on the map.
Then you should put more thought into what you nominate and make sure it is a good candidate overall and not because it will create an extra Pokestop or trigger a new gym
Personally don’t care where the gyms are. If they are in a great spot awesome! If not i get a kick out of who will actually get out of there car and play! Kinda like how the game was designed for lol. I always try to get the most stops even if people have to get out of there car for it lol
It's pretty clear that Niantic originally designed the system so that popular waypoints would become gyms, and that they chose a specific and IMO slightly bizarre metric for popularity, although it's certainly one that was easy for them to calculate. I'm fairly certain that they didn't expect their metric to be reverse engineered in the way it was and that it was never their intention to let individuals or communities deliberately choose what would become the next gym. If they had intended for players to make the choice then they would have built a better system to make that happen-- creating accounts in another game and manipulating data there is not the sort of system that people create if they want players to deliberately make a choice.
It seems like several weeks ago they closed that loophole, at least partially.
Yes, I'm sure that in a lot of places knowledge of the system was used to put gyms in "sensible" locations. That does not mean it was never abused by people who wanted a couch-gym. This also holds true for the S2 cell rules where they recently decided to re-apply the rules when a portal was moved instead of just retroactively calculating it for every waypoint.
For some waypoints it's now become practically impossible to get a better picture selected because multi-accounters have mass-voted on existing pictures to affect gym placement in PoGo.
Having as much control over the playing field as we do, even with random(?) gym placement is not something you see in many games, maybe we should just try to enjoy that.
I find it funny how my comment about always choosing good candidates for all Wayspots instantly got two disagreements. If a candidate is not good enough to be a gym, then it shouldn't be a Pokestop either. Gyms should be assigned randomly to avoid players gaming the system and to encourage players to excuses via walk as well. That is the whole point of "GO" in Pokemon GO!
What I found bad is that this new request has already become a gym very close to the other two and we have other pokestops more distant and even that are in a beautiful square where there is outdoor exercise equipment, toys, skatye track, soccer field that has no gym.
Disagree = you are wrong, you are deleting a POI what another player doesnt accept or you are completely right but someone doesnt accept the truth. 80% of my disagrees are because of fakers not accepting their fakes getting vanished or players thinking they got some kind of extra power here not sticking to rules/criteria. But honestly, since forum ranks doesnt matter at all, you shouldnt care about it too much.
You do know that in Ingress portals that have a limited and/or restricted access have high strategic value?
All good portal locations don't translate to good gym locations.
Call me crazy but I enjoy finding hard to reach gyms too. It can get annoying when you get close to the 20 gyms limit and all your defenders have been sitting 2+ months though.
Not talking about for example forest gyms, which are nice.
The same argument applies to Pokémon GO. Just because a lot of people want their gyms next to a parking lot for easy raids doesn't mean that gyms in hard-to-reach areas aren't also valuable for earning coins and badges.
I'm just going to quote myself from the post above yours.
"Not talking about for example forest gyms, which are nice."
A group of friend and I usually made sure the gym appeared in the popular locations. There was no war, only people happy. Now there's a few gyms that appeared at waypoint that are annoying(but possible to go) or at places where there's nothing. We also tried making some gym appear in the hiking trail to make the walk more interesting. Now pretty much everyone is disappointed that you cannot choose gym anymore.
Then I'm not sure what you are talking about. Gyms in forests have a similar strategic value to other less-travelled or difficult-to-reach (or even limited-access) areas. So unless it has no access (and is therefore not a valid wayspot in the first place), it has its own kind of value as a gym.
Check the whole thread and what/who I replied to.
TheFarix's claims were
-just nominate good Waypoints
-if it's good enough to be stop it"s good enough to be gym
-random gym placement is good for the game
-randomizing causes people to "go"
My point was that there are (and will be) also Waypoints submitted by Ingress players. Some of those will be in limited and/or restricted areas. Common examples;
-company areas which only employees have access to (restricted)
-gated apartment complexes (limited)
Often (not always) submitted by a single player who can control the portal.
If the random gym happens to be in that kind of location, it serves only one or few players instead of larger community.
I submitted the water tank of a large industrial plant on a dare. I think it's located about 300 meters from any point not on the plant premises. I don't expect it to be approved, the PoI has merits (highest point of the industrial park) but the photo was taken from afar. If by chance it gets approved, it will be mostly unusable as a gym.
I was going to respond with a defense of restricted-access gyms, but after thinking about it, I have to admit there isn't much to say in their favor. They're not even that great for the people who have access to them because Pokémon GO requires an opposing trainer to knock your Pokémon off the gym. And unlike in Ingress, where you can do essentially the same thing at every portal, a gym at one wayspot means that there are other wayspots where there could have been a gym but where there is a Pokéstop instead.
Overall, the idea of players getting to choose their own gym locations still bothers me, though. Too much chance for "tyranny of the majority" (or tyranny of the one person with fifteen accounts, though that's in large part its own issue) to rule the day and put all the gyms in easy-to-raid spots at the expense of harder-to-reach (but still widely accessible) wayspots. And of course the previous implementation where players were going into a different game and upvoting photos for all the wrong reasons was definitely a mistake.
Same in our community. We gained 4 gyms in our area, and made sure to select locations that were either in the park, or on the main street area. It allowed for them to be enjoyed by more people in safe, well-lit areas with pedestrian access that could accommodate crowds.
Understandable and I believe there are situations where toxic players or majority rule can make the game map bad. Stil, my own experience is that those areas are exceptions not the majority.
Until recently I / we had a knowledge of being able to influence on how the game map progressed and we were able to fill previously empty areas.* Now it's gone and so is the motivation. Quote from friend "I submitted those new infoboards but I don't care to grind upgrades anymore."
But I quess one's opinion is shaped by the kind of community one is involved with.
*No, not everyone is interested in just easy-to-raid spots or Pokemon Drive gyms. :)