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Disagree it is still a noticeboard at the end of the day. Just a digital one versus a normal one. Also has a normal events community board rejected for the same reasons.
I thought this was @Dice976jr-ING submission?
Either way, this is not a noticeboard, a noticeboard is a community gathering location to post community news/notices. Such as missing cat, or when the pool opens, or other events going on. Usually pinned pieces of paper about the community. Not an electronic sign for a location or advertisement.
Now since this if this sign is Solely for the American Legion I would submit it as such if the American Legion isnt already a Waypoint.
That is an electronic sign, not a community noticeboard.
A digital noticeboard does provide that same information. Signs of an existing wayspot already gives it criteria to accept even if the American Legion is already a wayspot.
Easy for reviewers to see yes a wayspot exists at American Legion. Yes this is not a duplicate sign of other signs in the same area. Per criteria it is allowed. Not that complicated of a decision.
If the American Legion already exists then this sign would need to be significant distance from the American Legion to be eligible.
Significant distance is what niantic decides is acceptable for a wayspot. Not a reviewer! Reviewers are not to decide density. You preach distance but ignore you are implying density to others.
You are wrong, yet again
Density is not distance, they are two totally different things.
And the review is to take distance from the existing POI into consideration when reviewing a new sign submission for the existing POI it states so in the help section of the Wayfarer guidelines
Density and the distance between a sign and its point of interest are not the same thing. Density is the proximity of various waypoints near each other, it is not the reviewers job to review based on distance or location between valid points of interest.
However a SPECIFIC criteria for Signs that are associated to an already existing waypoint is significant distance. This is in the review criteria for this type of nomination. While a sign for an existing waypoint may be eligible it must be significant distance. If the sign is not significant distance it may be used a Supplementary photo for the existing waypoint. Both pieces of this are key, they give eligiblity if its significant distance and if its not it should be considered a supplemental photo which can be added by using the add photo feature or if submitted and marked as a duplicate will automatically be added.
While significant distance is not defined that would be up to the reviewer in the situation of Sign of an existing Waypoint.
From the potentially confusing section of Wayfarer:
Signs for locations/objects that are already existing Wayspots - Eligible, if they are a significant distance from the object or location. For example, a sign for a monument could be a separate Wayspot than the monument itself. If a sign for Wayspot is nearby the Wayspot itself, it can be used as a supplementary photo for the existing Wayspot.
Wayfarer Help:
Help > Wayspot Review FAQ
What should I consider when answering “Should this be a Wayspot?”
Based on your initial impression of the nomination represented in the photo and the title/description, does the nomination seem like it would make a good Wayspot based on the acceptance criteria? This is not an overall rating for the nomination.
Should I consider proximity to nearby Wayspots when analyzing a nomination?
No. As long as the nomination is not a duplicate of an existing Wayspot, it is eligible to become a Wayspot.
Should I take nearby Wayspot density into account when analyzing a nomination?
As long as Wayspots aren't duplicates of one another and meet our acceptance criteria, they can be densely packed together. Some Wayspots may be filtered out if necessary.
Should the size of a nomination be taken into account?
Yes, a good Wayspot nomination should be relatively easy to locate in person. For smaller nominations, it may be difficult to verify their real-world location. If you come across a high-quality nomination that’s small in size, we recommend you use the supporting photo and description to provide more context on the nomination.
You are quoting a section that niantic that was never updated by niantic to include things changed when they updated wayfarer sections.
Updated during the release of Wayfarer...
Signs for locations/objects that are already existing Wayspots - Eligible, if they are a significant distance from the object or location. For example, a sign for a monument could be a separate Wayspot than the monument itself. If a sign for Wayspot is nearby the Wayspot itself, it can be used as a supplementary photo for the existing Wayspot.
This is your guidance to accept. Because niantic already deems them acceptable because they are different visually.
A church sign and a church are different wayspots and have criteria that says they can be accepted.
@NianticCasey-ING, if you have a minute, could you please split this off into its own thread, starting with this comment:
This discussion has gone away from "Noticeboards in supermarkets" to "digital signs outside of businesses." It is confusing to me why the poster used this thread.
Digital signs are still used as community noticeboards to the community.
Below says otherwise, they are considered the SAME Point Of Interest unless significant distance apart. If they are nearby the sign would be considered a supplemental photo of the church and not its own waypoint. THIS is not for debate this is directly in Wayfarer Help.
Signs for locations/objects that are already existing Wayspots - Eligible, if they are a significant distance from the object or location. For example, a sign for a monument could be a separate Wayspot than the monument itself. If a sign for Wayspot is nearby the Wayspot itself, it can be used as a supplementary photo for the existing Wayspot.
Yet again you are making up your own rules, and believe you are correct and it is everyone else that is wrong.
I really should have guessed that your reply would be to just state that you are right and to make something up.
No not making my own rules. You are. Nothing in guidance says a custom digital community noticeboard that is used by the community for information is not allowed. You consider it generic and that is your opinion. You should add the language in my opinion to your responses. It would change your comment entirely, in my opinion.
Niantic already has a predetermined distance. You assuming what that distance is wrong.
Duplicates are exact copies of the Title, Description and Photo. If one is different than it is totally different submission and can be reviewed an approved doesn't mean it will be accepted as a submission by niantic if it is deemed too close by niantic. You are worrying about density in reality even if you don't think you are.
Then explain why the wayfarer help suggests that adding the sign to the original waypoint as a supplemental photo?
Niantic automatic does that. Have you never received that email response? One sec. Let me find that specific response.
Where did I say it was generic ? Please point out to me where I said that on this thread.
You've now made that up as well.
Seriously you need to just stop making things up
Then why is it specifically mentioned for signs of waypoints only? Why not all waypoints. It specifically mentions significant distance or if nearby use as supplemental photo. ONLY for this set of criteria. If they were going to automatically judge the distance or add the photo as a secondary why would they even mention it as a SPECIFIC piece of criteria?
Pending approval on a large response.
Here read this thread on duplicates while the large response is pending. Casey specifically agrees with Tailpot on the duplicate system, so make sure you read the whole thread because it is multiple responses from Tailpot on the duplicate system.
https://community.ingress.com/en/discussion/comment/72089#Comment_72089
This is not relate to the Sign of a POI versus the POI itself as there is specific wording listed specifically for significant distance and if nearby add as a secondary photo. This does not relate to that at all.
Stop trying to skew everything and twist everything.
It does because you are saying signs can be considered duplicates when they are not. If they are not identically with the photo, title and description. Multiple tennis courts next to each other are duplicates because they have the same title, photo, and description. A sign and a church are totally different way spots.
I'm so confused. Is this a sign or a notice board? Is it a duplicate or a rejection? Who even made the nomination?
Notice board. No not either, as it is allowed as a community notice board. Who submitted it doesn't matter on a decision.
Duplicates are a design feature by niantic to catch people rushing to cause cooldowns to slow people down from rushing.... Duplicates that occur by people not knowing a submission is already in the system for other games is also a duplicate. But things that are totally different visually from nearby other portals are allowed. So a sign is different from the existing wayspot of a building and not a duplicate of the building. A baseball field and a statue nearby are totally different things an allowed to be close by, example provided by Casey.
Tennis courts have nothing to do with this post.
Your board is a sign for an American Legion, how is that a community noticeboard?
A sign for a point of interest is a duplicate unless it’s significant distance. You can argue it all you want but it doesn’t change the facts.
Tennis have a lot to do with this. Because it is the same situation. 2 tennis courts next to each other still create a duplicate in the system. Casey suggested that but you are ignoring it.