I quit!
invazorZim-ING
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I have tried to give the pokemon go community a chance with the garbage they send in wayfarer, that because they are level 40 they think they can send any **** as requests in the hope of having a Gym near or at home ... Unfortunately Niantic together with them Pokemon Go reviews with those of Ingress and this has caused the agents that had a good rating to lower the minimum for qualifying as is the correct criteria, I know that I am not the only one or the first but I hope they can separate the rating mode or filter to agents who approve portals that MUST NEVER BE APPROVED! or take out the agents with reports of abuse for their requests ...
I'll leave you a sample @NianticBrian-ING
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Looks like most of them are the results of vandalism. Did you still have their location (in coordinates)?
First of all: most of your examples are still in voting, so they were most probably rejected. I agree that garbage submissions like these are annoying but at least they're a quick and easy agreement. I don't see why that's worth quitting over.
Second: I agree that submitting should be tied to some sort of education or test. Way too many people nominate without actually having an idea about the criteria (many of them don't even know that there are any criteria, they just try their luck).
Third: please don't hate on Pokémon Go players as a group. There's plenty of us who are just as good submitters/reviewers as any Ingress agent. Also, it's not like we didn't have garbage before Wayfarer was opened to PoGo. We have lots of portals in my city of manhole covers, generic benches, zero effort graffiti tags etc. that have been there since long before we were allowed to nominate.
To my experience in wayfarer where I am since I enabled it Only for ingress players, If there were bad requests and they were rejected without problem ... the PoGo came to send more requests and those that qualified were accepted ... The problem is having left them enter and among their communities approve their requests as in the examples that I leave you below ... This affects us in the criteria of accepting their **** in order to maintain a good status or appeal to reason and have a bad rating in wayfarer...
So your opinion ican be summed up as saying that PoGo players are on average incapable of submitting a good nomination and therefore shouldn't be allowed to review. @Am i understanding you correctly?
What I am personally seeing is a decline in checks and balances on quality and guidelines. My local featured nominations has been filled with nominations that would meet reject criteria. I personally think there are two issues going one group who are too strict on criteria thinking that wayfarer system needs a red line on blocking non-high quality points of interest ignoring the rules and then there seems to be a second group who are being too relaxed approving nearly anything because it seems good not reading the rules and guidelines because it seems to make a good stop or gym. Until niantic steps up enforcement of following the guide and holding reviewers accountable we will continue to see systematic issues dealing with rejects and approvals.
Comments like this annoy everyone and stink of ingress snobbery.
I can attest be sure that some junk I get to me is from ingress as the nomination mentions a portal not a Pokestop. I also know that the ones I am sure can be from Pogo can be just as good as any Ingress nomination.
I’ve had some refused, sure, but I take pride in my nominations as others do who play PoGo.
Also, left up to Ingress players, my area sucked for stops and gyms and what was nominated weren’t even the best examples of stuff. Me and some friends hit level 40 (as it was then) and made sure to submit the cool stuff near us. Now we have good stops and Gyms in PoGo and Portals in Ingress.
Don’t vilify people - help them improve.
I was along in the days of OPR as well. Sure there is more **** these days, but there are more submitters as well. There was **** submitted when only Ingress players could submits too, not at least couch portals and suspect fabricated things way on out in the woods, often near a path which lead to certain agents houses. Meanwhile, good submits were often turned down because it was known that an agent of the other team had submitted them.
Two faults does not make a right, but it is wrong to say it is due to only PoGo players. Deny what should be denied, and approve what should be approved. Wayfarer isn't PoGo or Ingress. It's Wayfarer.
It really was the same when portal submission reopened in Ingress in 2017. I rejected so, so many lawn gnomes, home doors, garden gates, pics taken from a screen, regular manholes, bus stops, run of the mill spray tags. It was much more egregious than now too - fridges, selfies, people's rooms and washing machines. I have entire collection of screenshots from that time, I'm attaching some:
PokemonGo at least has the excuse of having much younger playerbase than Ingress, but when players that are on average 17-30 like in Ingress did this ****? Pathetic. They weren't any better than kids playing PoGo. That being said, I believe that over time quality of submissions will even out, just like it did in Ingress.
You forgotten to mention in 2017 a lot of players from PoGo get into Ingress to create portals because being a L8 agent was enough.
What are you on bout? This is how it went:
May 11 2017 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/862434519642775554 - OPR access to L16 players. Submissions are NOT enabled yet.
June 12 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/874371248536596480 - L15
June 27 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/879804450851999746 - L14
July 5 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/882690561110659072 - L13
July 11 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/884878822797180929 - L12
September 25 - portal submissions are enabled, minimum level required is L11 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/912414302434447361 I know this for a fact, since I submitted my very first portal on the very next day, because of the time difference.
November 10 https://twitter.com/ingress/status/929060169950081029 - level for submissions alone lowered to L10
Submission access never went below L10 - https://twitter.com/ingress/status/977629480347947009
And see the dates of screenshots above? Good chunk of them were submitted by players above level 11. Not some noobs, moderately experienced Ingress players. Considering how long it takes to grind to level 11 or even level 10 by an inexperienced player it's safe to assume that maybe 3-4 of those were submitted by former PoGo players.
In addition to what @Hydreg-ING said: if someone who previously only played PoGo downloaded Ingress and grinded all the way to level 10 just to be able to submit things, they didn't do it to submit their cat or the neighbour's lawn ornament. Those are submissions from people who don't know the criteria and/or don't care about them at all, so they just submit whatever is in their way, "because why not".
People who grind for the opportunity to submit are dedicated. People who submit garbage are not.
This is completely wrong. Nominations where turned off in around then. When they returned to Ingress, it was first limited to L16 players, then dropped to L10 later.
Did post edit just ate my entire post? Anyway TL;DR of it was that portal submissions were enabled on 25 September 2017 to L11 Ingress players, on November that year lowered to L10 and never went below to L8, so portals from my screenshots had to be submitted by at least moderately experienced Ingress players, not PoGo newcomers.
Back to the original topic. What troubles me is that players seem emboldened to vandalise just to get their wayspot. This goes beyond trolling or stupid submissions. I'd categorize those as abuse, but it really is more serious, since it's damage to public property. This is the reason we musn't rage quit, since we're the only thing standing between those kinds of submissions and their approval. If these submissions get rejected often enough, people won't try to submit them anymore.
When you edit a post that was a reply to someone, it goes into moderation and disappears until it's approved, which can take upwards of a day in my experience.
You are absolutely wrong, L8 was able to submitting portals, I did some before they locked it, and then L10 became a requirement to send candidates, and after a couple of days they request L11.
On August 2017 I was L8 and able to submit portals with no limitations about how many (7 or 14, whatever)
I guess Niantic did that only for Brazil and South Korea at that time.
I somewhat agree regarding Pokemon Go players, but most of the worst coal submissions I see make it clear they are done by Pokemon Go players because the supporting information inevitably is some variation of "need moar Pokestops". The good nominations rarely indicate with such certainty which game the person submitting plays (though a few of the eligible ones also put variations of "need moar Pokestops" in the supporting information).
Did you seriously wait almost a year to reply?????
You are absolutely wrong, L8 was able to submitting portals, I did some before they locked it, and then L10 became a requirement to send candidates, and after a couple of days they request L11.
L8s were never able to submit nominations in 2017. Submissions were shutdown in early 2016 until it was reopened with OPR over a year later. When it opened back up, only L16 could submit then later it dropped to L10.
Check it out again 😉 you can disagree always but official channel page on Facebook of Ingress will agree with me.
https://m.facebook.com/Ingress/posts/agentsstarting-today-we-will-be-opening-portal-submission-requests-via-the-ingre/1367859383261724/
@Hydreg-ING I got access to OPR in November 2016.
In the early days of OPR, it was mainly about digesting the nominations up to August 2015, which had built up enormously by then.
Before that, it was reviews by Niantic.
Since the level of Ingress players at the time was not high, and the number of nominees was infinite, and since Niantic did not provide players with specific examples of eligibility prior to OPR, we had to rely on individual nominations of POIs until August 2015. Before August 2015, players would nominate POIs individually and look at the approvals and rejections that came back from Niantic to see which ones would be approved. (This would not have happened if we had provided concrete examples of eligibility from that time.)
Nominations resumed at the end of September 2017 (and a little earlier in some countries, such as Korea), and for the first time, player level restrictions were put in place.
Starting with only level 16, these were lowered to level 12 over the course of about six months.
Correspondingly, Pokémon GO players have been playing Ingress to increase the number of PokéStops.
This is probably why, starting around 2018 (easy to tell since they mostly stop at level 12 or 13, now level 10, and rarely play after that), the trend and quality of nominations changed dramatically, and since that time more nominations have been made with obviously false photos and descriptions rather than a barrage of individual POIs.
This was alarming.
And this has been happening more and more in recent years.
I've seen a lot of photoshop composites, 360° photos to disguise locations, homemade shrines and crosses hammered into street trees, stolen photos from other places, false titles and descriptions, etc. The list goes on and on.
But, the main purpose of Pokémon GO is to catch Pokémon, and Wayspot is just a place to refill monster balls and gifts and have gym battles.
So, few people still pay attention to the quality of the place.
Therefore, we can say that Pokémon Go players here are in the minority.
It was also around this time that I began to receive inexplicable approvals.
I'm not saying that all players are bad, but as many people are aware, a large percentage of Pokémon Go players have multiple accounts, a violation of Niantic's Terms of Service.
In local cities, it is not uncommon to find a majority of players engaging in multi-account activities. And for some reason, the more active a player is, the more likely they are to do this.
They half-openly use multiple accounts to do reviews, resulting in an increase in inexplicable wayspots.
I'm concerned about this.
This is what we see in provincial cities in countries like Spain, which made the rounds here a while ago, and more recently in Vietnam.
We need to banish all such activities.
We need to banish all such behavior, and players who do this need to leave the game, and we need to rebuild the field to a high quality.
I'm one of those Pokemon players that restarted my Ingress account to reach Level 10 to nominate, then Level 12 to review since I didn't want to be a drag on the system. I was anxious to submit some good stuff I had queued up to provide more opportunities to get EX-eligible gyms in more spots in my primary play area, since they were at one time quite rare. Once I really started playing Ingress, I loved it, and became more Ingress-focused as far as my submission as well: back then, criteria had a more metaphysical feel, such as "a nod to spirituality" - I still do feel that the Ingress players in my area are more attuned to wayspot quality more than quantity, and that's a tendency I've carried over in my own candidates. I also know some really great, dedicated, Pokemon Go-only submitters and reviewers. They're in the minority, though: most Ingress submitters I know are also Pokemon Go players, and the reverse is true as well.
Both games have good submitters and reviewers, no question. I think the ratio of good to bad is tilted a bit in Ingress's favor, with its largely adult, exploration-minded playerbase, but in terms of sheer numbers the good Pokemon Go submitters outnumber the good Ingress submitters by a large margin. Neither game is worthy of derision.