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Park rule signs.
grider80-ING
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Can we please get a clarification on park rule signs. People are now listing them as information signs. I have always marked them as a 1 generic sign/mass produced. Since every park has a rule sign. Some of them have multiple rule signs.
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Guidance in Wayfarer:
Potentially Confusing Nominations Section Near The Bottom.
Signs for locations/objects that are already existing Wayspots - Eligible, if they are a significant distance from the object or location. For example, a sign for a monument could be a separate Wayspot than the monument itself. If a sign for Wayspot is nearby the Wayspot itself, it can be used as a supplementary photo for the existing Wayspot.
It is a sign for the park.
My rule of thumb when I vote on them highly is Niantic can't be held liable if the Park Rules Signs are Posted as Wayspots as well. Players have clear guidance of local rules on times allowed to use the park if they are a wayspot. Helps prevent potential for trespassing.
If it had the park name on it, and it's the only sign for that section of the park, then sure.
But if it's a sign that just says "Rules" without any park name or it, then you'd have a harder time getting it approved. I don't think it would qualify without a Park Name on it.
Generally a rules sign at a park is not eligible. If the sign has the park name on it specifically Welcome to Park ________. You could submit in place if an actual park sign. Otherwise it would likely be rejected as it’s not unique.
1*. A rules sign isn't going to cut it unless it's the only thing in the entire park
Not all parks in the world have things. Some parks don't even have that. So being lucky some do, it isn't bad to vote higher. Signs for an existing wayspot still would apply. Even if you consider the entire vote as a 3 star for unsure to let Niantic decide what should happen with them as a community.
Personally, I would say no since it's not an information board, it's literally just a sign that says what the rules of the park are.
Even if they were eligible, which I'm not entirely sure if they are or aren't, if there were multiple ones in the same park, only one would be allowed anyway.
Fails the uniqueness test. So 'just rules' signs without the parkname are one star.
Some "blue signs" as my local community here calls them are portals but they are typically pre opr submissions.
You are understanding Uniqueness wrong. It is unique compared to adjacent wayspots in the area. Not the submission being one of a kind.
Casey says on the tennis court response that opposite ends of the parks can have similar wayspots.
I don't believe that park rules signs meet any criteria. They don't have a cool story, they aren't cool pieces of art and while they are located at parks which can be local hangouts, no one goes to a park to look at the rules sign. Often a city will use identical signs in all their parks.
This is about signs, not tennis courts.
They are rules, not information or educational signs, so they don't meet any criteria.
A community notice board is eligible as an information sharing station for everyone to participate. A park rules sign, unless it has the park name and is the only sign for the park, is not the same as a notice board and sounds more generic weeks ineligible.
Rules may be information but it's not information that helps people learn about their community, so a sign with just rules on it doesn't even meet the information/educational criteria.
Casey has also said that the objective is submit cool, interesting, unique things, not just everything that meets criteria, and submitting a handful of signs that just have rules on them doesn't fulfil that objective.
The community would know anyway if they use it frequently or they can Google the times. But seen as we we're discussing a sign with rules on it, let's stick to that topic
I do follow the criteria, not that how I follow the criteria is relevant to the topic at hand.
A basic Park Rules sign has as little validity as a No Entry or No Parking street sign in my eyes. If it's rules combined with other information, like a map of the park or maybe if it's combined with a welcome sign it might be eligible.
It really depends on just how prominent the name of the park is on the sign. If you cannot see the park's name from more than a couple of meters away, then it isn't a sufficient stand-in for the park.
Rules signs are extremely poor examples of educational information signs.
This is a good example of an educational information sign
This as well
So is this
This is a park rules sign
The guidance about educational signs is very simple: "Signboards with educational information"
Which of these signs are educational? Which are informational? Is the standard educational information or just information?
I should have included one other example, this is a park sign with park rules on it.
I think @JSteve0-ING hit the nail on the head. Unless Niantic comes in and states that rules signs themselves are eligible, those pictures are the perfect examples.
One additional clarifying question I have is, can a park rules sign serve as a proxy if there is no park sign at the park?
I think if it had the park name on it prominently I'd lean towards yes. Without the park name it would be a definite no.
This is a local one of mine that passed in the case where there was no other sign. I would refrain from nominating such signs in the future if deemed ineligible, but I used it as the only park sign for the area.
So this is the only sign in the entire park?
If the portal's photo shows up the 2 signs, with the yellow one on the bottom, try uploading on cutting the yellow one and focusing only on the Greenbelt Park, I'm only saying this because sometimes we don't have any other option to submit but plaques like this, and this could lead to the interpretation like this topic, if rule or this "don't park" signs are eligible or not, what they clearly aren't.
This is the perfect example that should be highlighted in the first page of wayfarer from time to time, this can help the reviewers so much. Not that highlight of the community, it damages more than help the players since invalid portals can show up there and people go "what?".
I would also like to include this, as another example that looks like the only sign of the park, or the sign at the entrance. This is really nice, good work @JSteve0-ING 😎