Invalid removal appeal
Stahia-ING
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Title of the Wayspot: Mural pod obwodnicą
Location: 50.005918/20.034226
City: Kraków
Country: Poland
Photos to support your claim:
Additional information: Mural exists and is accessible. It is in deed unique if a little creepy. It is safely accessible by pedestrians. It is located in a rural area on a side of a calm access route. It is very common in rural areas in Poland that access routes do not have paved walkways. Nevertheless, pedestrian traffic is safe here.
Google maps may show it in the middle of a highway. It is located in the underpass.
Here is an URL with detailed Google Street View showing the access to portal from adjacent neighbourhood:
I hope this will clear all doubt. I believe it is a valid spot for portal.
Best regards,
Stan
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Best regards,
Fol
This doesn't look like a mural, it looks like illegal graffiti to me, and I think that might be one of the reason it was removed.
And it does look like it doesn't have safe pedestrian acces too. I doesn't mean that because there isn't any pavement, that's not the issue for me. You can't walk to it (there's a water ditch between it and the road) so you must stay on the road to acces it, and it's located on rather sharp turn of the road, where drivers couldn't see pedestrians if they would stay on the road here. Even if car traffic here is small, it's still a dangerous place for pedestrians.
As a graffiti artist, I believe that such portals should not be removed. It is a traditional place used by most graffiti writers and there will be another work there soon.
@panfolek-ING mr Folek, yes it's not a michelangelo or a mural, it's graffitti. One is commercial - the other is not.
as you probably know, commercial items have large budgets - that's why they are of better quality
@panfolek-ING Forgive me, we can speak Polish if this is a problem for you.
Street arts are a common points of interest in Ingress.
This place has safe pedestrian access. In fact, it is the only pedestrian connection between local neighbourhood and the city. It is common in rural areas that sidewalks are not paved. Ingress players from both fractions had no problems contesting the portal in recent weeks.
This is not a street art, it's illegal graffiti that could be rejected as temporary thing because it could be removed by road services any time. Real street art doesn't look like that. And you can't treat it as a good POI only because there is still a lot of bad old POIs with ineligible graffitis accepted.
I can agree that it's common in rural areas to not have pavements and still be safe to walk for pedestrians, but this nominations is near very narrow road bend, and drivers might not see players standing near this portal when they drive. It's not safe pedestrian acces if you can be hit by car while playing.
@Maxyme99-PGO Like i said earlier:
"As a graffiti artist, I believe that such portals should not be removed. It is a traditional place used by most graffiti writers and there will be another work there soon."
Places like this are galleries for street artists. I won't be surprised if you don't understand it
So it's temporary.
Those graffitis are vandalism, a good mural is valid, but not the painting in the photo.
@WheelTrekker-ING No, it's not temporary, places like this are galeries for street artists.
We will no longer be in the world, and graffiti will still be there.
"vandalism" :) For me, vandalism are the banners of large corporations covering beautiful architecture - not paintings under bridges
@WheelTrekker-ING
"NORMA" is well know artist in Kraków.
Second one - the face. It's a drawing of a young man who unfortunately died in road accident riding on bike... out of respect for his works, they are not painted over. You can find much more his pieces in kraków and in portals.
https://twitter.com/hichmoura/status/588245747449094145
This meaningless (for you) "vandalism" is part of the history of this city, but not everyone knows it.
And it's good that by the game some people can get to know this story. : )
You really enjoy arguing here with everyone.
Please, look up the statements that Niantic has published about graffitis. A tag or signature is not valid.
argue? I am presenting you a story.
And no those aren't "tags" but for your information we have amazing tags in city.
Do you even understand that when you call yourself "Graffiti Artist" you're just saying to us "I like to paint illegal things on public places that town must later remove using money from peoples taxes"? Graffiti in English is used for things made illegally that are vandalism to public space. This is definition used here for "Graffiti" on this forum too. Legal paintings like that are called "street art", and are appreciated by your community, graffiti is not appreciated at all. I don't know what definition of graffiti you have, but it's not the same as for most people here.
This place is dangerous for pedestrians, and even calling graffiti street art won't change that. And you want to restore places like that, but you wanted to remove soccer field because one of two roads to it was too narrow for you? Yor actions don't have much sense..
And for your other posts, I think WheelTrekker-ING explained it well to you so I don't need to say anything anymore.
This discussion is over for me, as the other ones too. If you still wants to argue that vandalism of public space is art for you, you can do it all you want, it's not my business.
We pointed to you that it is a temporary thing that and it's not in safe place to access. It shouldn't be restored for safetly reasons.
You are funny guy. And we both know who you are right?
If you want to continue this, (I hope not) introduce yourself, then we can present your attitude from comm.
I think it will bring a lot to today's conversation.
I wish you all the best
Well, I know who I am, but I don't know who do you think I am. And I don't really care.
I had said everything I wanted, I won't be talking with someone who don't want to listen to anything we say here. If you want to make your local community angry with some weird removal and restores of portals, it's only your choices. Have fun, it's not my problem :D
I won't respond to you anymore in this thread, there no point in it.
This discussion diverged from a topic of "is this a valid wayspot" to "is street art legal or art at all".
I believe answer to 1st question is "yes", while the answer to the 2nd question is "irrelevant in context of wayfarer".
Date mark on the mural indicates it was painted in 2010. Since it lasted 11 years, that does not seem temporary to me :)
Therefore my recommendation to bring the portal in question back online.
HenryStackola, thanks for bringing in a bit of history related to this mural and the author. I didn't know it. My prayer will go for this man each time I pass this place.
Whether it's temporary, artistic or if it should have been accepted in the first place is completely irrelevant here. These are not removal criteria, so these aren't the questions you should be arguing about.
The thing is, this graffiti has no safe pedestrian access. Yes, there is a safe pedestrian pathway on the other side of the road, but not where the actual PoI is located. I'm pretty sure that that is the reason the wayspot was removed and I strongly suspect that the decision will not be changed.
This place has a safe pedestrian access. As seen on the photo, it is only a few steps on grass from an unpaved sidewalk leading from adjacent housing neighbourhood.
Me and several other players from both factions had no problem planting US right on the center of this portal in recent weeks.
It fulfils all wayspot criteria.
No, it doesn't. It's on the other side of the road from the neighourhood, so those "few steps" you mention are on a road with no legal or safe pedestrian crossing. There is no sidewalk on that side of the road, unpaved or not, only a drainage ditch.
The neighbourhood is located on both sides of the road. I marked the path. I hope this clears all doubt.
The first appeal photo shows no pedestrian access with the POI being in a dangerous location on a road bend.
Thanks for the insight. I added a photo from Google Streetview that shows the access path. Hope that clarifies the case :)
Appeal Denied - Thanks for the appeal, Agent. We took another look at the Portal in question and decided that it does not meet our criteria for removal at this time