Painted fire hydrants

Are painted fire hydrants allowed?


  • GearGlider-INGGearGlider-ING Posts: 851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Before Wayfarer 3.1 "refreshed" the criteria, an AMA specified that they could be rejected for obstructing emergency services.

    After 3.1, a lot of people started approving them. So worth a shot if you're submitting one. I tend to rate safe ped access for them 1-3 stars now.

  • TheFarix-PGOTheFarix-PGO Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They are suppose to be rejected for obstruction emergency service. This shouldn't have changed with the 3.1 "refresh" because that rejection criterion remained the exact same through the refresh.

  • AisforAndis-INGAisforAndis-ING Posts: 275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TheFarix-PGO There are so many reasons this is wrong:

    • Niantic specifically said that all previous AMA answers and guideline clarifications were invalidated and the new guidelines supercede them. That includes the prior clarification about fire hydrants.
    • The rejection criteria did not remain the same. In fact some of them were adjusted, some were added, and some were removed. If they wanted us to continue to reject fire hydrants, they could have and should have clarified that.
    • They also said to be comfortable with grey area. This is definitely in the grey area. You should vote how you feel on it.
    • Not every fire hydrant mural is going to be an actively used hydrant or something that would realistically block emergency services as a wayspot. Even if you are of the opinion that these block emergency services, a rejection reason like that should still be investigated on a case-by-case basis.

    Now, please ask yourself the following:

    1. Do you think a portal at a fire hydrant is truly going to block emergency services, or are you exclusively applying an outdated blanket opinion that wasnt even your own?
    2. If a mural was on a wall, and in front of that mural/wall was a non-painted fire hydrant, would you reject the wall mural for obstructing emergency services?
    3. Outside of the entrance to your favorite local hotspot there is a fire hydrant. Would you reject that for obstructing emergency services?
    4. In an event where a building is on fire and emergency services are forced to respond, do you truly think players would continue to play Pogo/Ingress next to a burning building in a capacity that could truly obstruct emergency services from accessing such a fire hydrant in a time of need?

    I regularly see you comment on a variety of the topics on the forum, and while I imagine that is out of a desire to help others, it would be better for the community if you focused on the quality of your answers, not the quantity.

  • Jtronmoore-PGOJtronmoore-PGO Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If i see painted fire hydrants I reject them. There purpose is for firefighters not for a game. A curb is much different than a firehydrant. A fire hydrant is quite obviously for firefighters. They may try to decorate them but if a group of players can be seen to obstruct ems services on a sidewalk infront of a firestation/policestation/hospital I don’t see how its any different in front of a fire hydrant

  • Hosette-INGHosette-ING Posts: 909 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did painted fire hydrants ever show up in an AMA? As far as I can remember, it was only a comment from Casey buried somewhere like three pages deep in a contentious discussion.

    My personal opinion is this: Nothing is an official ruling until it makes it into a top-level document, either an official guidelines page or an AMA. Players should not be expected to comb every single discussion thread in order to understand the guidelines. Unfortunately, Niantic has a long history of making declarations in exactly this way. I can think of a few Ingress "rules" that were buried 80 comments deep in a nasty thread/fight on G+. Those comments don't even exist anymore since G+ was shut down a long time ago, but there are players who still consider them sacred rules just like the TOS and code of conduct.

    I also think this is a ludicrous ruling. I live in an urban neighborhood and one day I went out with the intention of photographing something that explains why. I found an absolutely perfect example literally at my doorstep. The object on the left is a portal in Ingress and a PoGo gym, a plaque describing the history of the building and its relationship to the neighborhood. For sake of discussion let's pretend that the fire hydrant next to it is painted artistically. I can't think of any logical reason that the fire hydrant being a wayspot would block emergency services but the thing that's two feet away from it wouldn't.

  • Hosette-INGHosette-ING Posts: 909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 8

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  • ArabellaArdelia-PGOArabellaArdelia-PGO Posts: 50 ✭✭✭
    edited April 8

    so I said this in the original thread where Casey commented, but the ONLY time I have seen a hydrant in use (car in the parking garage was on fire), we were actually instructed to stand NEAR the hydrant. Because it was across the street from where the fire was, and also across the (other) street from where the firetrucks were actually parked - in front of a trail marker that was a waypoint. So that trail marker was the ONLY thing that would be OES worthy in that scenario, since a crowd at it would’ve prevented the firetrucks from parking but the hydrant was where we were TOLD to crowd around. Here’s a photo to help illustrate what happened

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