Historical Gravestone
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I read that historical gravestones can be accepted, can you guys just confirm this one for me, thanks :)
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I read that historical gravestones can be accepted, can you guys just confirm this one for me, thanks :)
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if they count as a memorial, yes. Otherwise, I would reject them as "inappropriate location", when they are located in a cemetery.
Private gravestones are also ineligible. This is more likely a memorial so it should be alright.
All of these things dep0end on the cemetary. Some of the big London ones are "full" and have not been used for burials for many years, so places like that i would think ok. Anything where the cemetary is still in use, i would mark as a "Sensitive Location".
Historical gravestones are eligible yes. Generally it has to be someone famous/notable and the cemetery (or section of cemetery if it's large enough) shouldn't still have active burials. Your submissions looks to be old enough an the person distinct enough that I would approve it. Though gravestones are a bit touchy with some reviewers, so it might take a few tries.
This is a very old cemetery, (been around since the 16th century) only the church is used for ceremonial purposes likes weddings, baptisms etc. So it sounds like it's good to go, thankyou guys :)
Hi I just wanted to clarify if this is eligible & what if I should expect it to pass or fail, this is a very unique Grade II listed Georgian grave stone that is well known both locally and nationally for it's fascinating history and story.
Here are the links I provided in the supporting info, you can check out the story for yourself. :)
https://bit.ly/32JbleuStokeSentinel (Local write up)
https://bit.ly/2QYTfm4TheMirror (National story write ups)
https://bit.ly/2PktegJTheHubPages (National story write ups)
Let me know what you think, thankyou.
Not true. They are eligible if they are of historical importance.
My latest sub accept was a grave. A small headstone in a rural Scottish graveyard.
Sir John Frederick Bridge C.V.O
Sir John Frederick Bridge, 1844-1924, was a world renowned musician, composer and teacher who worked his way to the top of his profession. At the peak of his career as the Organist of Westminster Abbey, he composed pieces for the Jubilee of Queen Victoria in 1887, the Coronation of King Edward VII in 1902, and the Coronation of George V in 1911. For service to country and to music, he was knighted in 1911 as Commander of the Royal Victorian Order, giving him the title of Sir.
Memorial means historical in some way. Maybe I formulated it wrongly.
I think this is an excellent example of something very unique and of historical interest.
Provided graveyard is no longer in use (which I would presume was the case) it is good to go.
That seems really interesting, but I never click on bit.ly links. Can you please provide the real urls?
What are your thoughts on historic gravesites, @NianticGiffard? They can be eligible, right? How do artistic or visually unique grave markers - are they allowed in post 3.1 update?
Thanks!
I'll be happy to clarify! Gravestones/markers connected to the graves of historically notable individuals are eligible. Artistic or visually unique grave markers connected to famous personalities are eligible too. However, Wayspot submissions connected to the grave or a memorial that contains human remains of a non-notable individual should be rejected.
The Henry faulds one was accepted but the Sarah Smith one was rejected for "Insufficient evidence that the nomination accurately reflects the submitted real-world location based on comparison of the submitted photo and map views".
EVEN THOUGH, I made a collage for the supporting photo in which there's a map from historical England's website showing where her grave is, I will resubmit though 👍
Friendly reminder that the November 2020 AMA contains an update on what is allowed in cemeteries.
Specifically (emphasis mine):
... any locations in cemeteries that have become public attractions are eligible. This would include memorials for famous individuals, historical chapels, and government historical markers.
Note that memorials/gravestones for famous individuals, historical chapels, and gov't historical markers are only examples of public attractions and that this is not an exhaustive list. Any means that other public attractions located in cemeteries are also eligible. Public trails, statues, architectural features, etc.
So @NianticCasey-ING said here
I will say that gravestones or headstones that are unique, artistic or architectural would also be eligible under the current criteria.
But now you're saying that Artistic or visually unique grave markers must be connected to famous personalities? Wouldn't graves of famous personalities already be eligible? Why specify that the artistic/visually unique graves got to be connected to famous personalities? Does this mean artistic/visually unique graves on their own ARE or AREN'T eligible?
Hi @GearGlider-ING! Any gravestone connected to a non-notable individual is ineligible. Memorials (that do not contain human remains) that are visually unique can be accepted. I hope it clarifies things.
All I really want is consistency when it comes to criteria clarifications. Can you and Casey and whoever else is in charge talk about this and get everything settled? Especially with whatever big update is supposed to be happening later this year.
is it possible to forget about this particular and theoretical subject? let the subject die.
its up to the reviewer community to decide if these potential-graveyard-wtv POIs are truly location sensitive or not.
and let me say, that for what i see in my national wayfarer group, when a user asks for feedback about a POI in the graveyard, the user receives negative feedback, lots of discourangment to nominate.
yes, some POIs about graveyards goes through but, overall, rejected most of the times, even repetitions.
The only thing that tends to be more aceptable are the town graveyards with the location pin at the entrance.
I also would like clarification.
I submitted a marker from 1873 that is a life-sized scultpure of a child. The sculpture has become a fixture in the cemetery with visitors leaving flowers, toys and decorating the figure for the various seasons.
It was accepted as a portal through OPR in Dec 2017, but then deleted approx 4 months later in 2018.
I appealed and included references to numerous articles about the statue in the local paper as well as information from the cemetery's own webpage showing that the cemetery gives tours and this marker is one of the most notable points of interest on those tours.
Niantic denied that appeal and did not offer a reason.
The sculpture is artistic, more than 100 years old, a notable fixture in the community, and also part of tours given by the cemetery itself.
So to clarify @NianticGiffard, was this statue removed because George Blount isn't famous enough himself? If that's the case, that part of the criteria was never clearly stated before.
I get its artistic. But as an individual the 5 year old is not a notable individual in the community.
Niantic rarely removes POI for simply not meeting criteria. More likely, the cemetery grounds manager requested removal.
I don't believe that is the case. Numerous other portals remain in the cemetery. Include numerous mausoleums that also contain remains. The cemetery itself encourages the public to visit and sponsors 5ks, Easter egg hunts, Historical Tours, winter walks, summer picnics, etc. https://www.facebook.com/GreenLawnCemeteryColumbus/events/?ref=page_internal
I'm posting because this portal seems to fall in that distinction that was not made clear before.
It fits the stated criteria "REJECT unless the gravestone belongs to a famous/historic person or notable member of the local community and is more than 50 years old and community norms for use of the cemetery are open to historic visits and other uses."
By the local community standards, this portals was approved through OPR showing it to be "notable" as determined by the reviewers. It was Niantic that removed it later. It is more than 50 years old and it is open to historic visits and other uses.
did you appeal in the forum section?
niantic can give you an answer. if the owner asked to be removed, they will tell you (according with what I read there)
I did appeal in late 2018 (so gone with the rest of G+ now). I even had supporting comments from other agents of both factions in the area. Niantic simply responded that they were upholding their decision to remove it and gave no further explanation. Attempts to resubmit it also failed
Perhaps they thought it was just a particularly tasteless Waypoint...
Andrew Watson headstone
I accepted it, but moved it closer to the church. I looked at pictures from Historic England, which were clearer than your collage.
How would people rate the following before I submit them?
Lancaster Memorial
Originally from the north of England, the Lancasters were industrialists who made their fortune in coal mining. The memorial is described by historian Hugh Meller as "arguably the most dramatic sculpture in any of London's cemeteries", eclipsing all other monuments in the cemetery. The Lancaster Memorial was designated a grade II* listed building in 1992, and according to Historic England is "considered one of the most significant 20th-century examples of funerary sculpture".
Buxton memorial
memorial to Markham Buxton (1852–1927), a bronze relief on a stone stele; the memorial was built by Buxton's son, Alfred Buxton, a sculptor who exhibited at the Royal Academy. The stele is of granite construction, topped with five antefixae and standing on a granite base, which bears an inscription. The relief features a woman in classical dress playing a lyre;
South African War memorial
Designed by architect Sir Edwin Lutyens, the memorial is in the form of a cenotaph, similar to that on Whitehall, also by Lutyens. It was commissioned by the South African Hospital and Comforts Fund Committee to commemorate the 39 South African soldiers who died of their wounds at a military hospital in Richmond Park during the First World War
Bromhead memorial
The Bromhead Memorial is a memorial and grade II listed building in Richmond Cemetery in the London Borough of Richmond upon Thames. It denotes a plot in the cemetery in which deceased residents of the nearby Royal Star and Garter Home are buried. The Star and Garter was a home for retired soldiers.