Do local cafes need to have unique themes to be elligible?
Euthanasio2-PGO
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I know that big chains like Starbuck or Tim hortons are not elligible, but what about local cafes? Are they elligible only if they have a unique theme or if they are the only café of that name? The current guide make it seem like coffee shops are elligible as long as they are not a chain.
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I would say that any locally owned cafe should generally be eligible, it is just a matter of presentation.
I had a café in a park near me accepted last year. The profits from this café would seem to be put directly back into maintaining the park as it is not run by any chain and doesn't have much in the way of branding. I could see a café in a historic building being accepted, as would one offering something unique and that is special to the area.
I remembered Casey posting something about this a few days ago
Can you tell me where to find it? I can't find it
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/9538/new-criteria-and-cafes#latest
Yes, thats what I meant. Thanks for the research :)
NZ has a strong cafe culture and the vast majority of cafes are independently owned. This is going to blow up!
Better a cafe than those survey markers, I guess.
not necessarily. but sure helps.
Did you know that if you click on the title name of the wayspot nomination that it brings up a google search? If the cafe has a unique name it typically comes up straight away. If it doesn't, then I add the location to the google search.
The reason that I bring this up is because I use their google rating when evaluating a cafe (coffee spot, bakery, etc.) There have been times when the write up make the place sound stellar, but then I go to google and see a 3.5* rating, I realize that it's BS.
If I see that a place is 4.5* with lots of ratings, I'll approve it.
I factor in a lot of things. I'll give a nomination more leeway if it's in a small town, for example. And yet I also find hidden gems in the middle of a city.
I have this going into voting soon but still not sure if I have the correct wording to not get an immediate first impression no. If you visited you would be hard pushed to not 5* I think but obviously moody reviewers will not have been there.
Any thoughts are welcome.
Regarding the above photos, I would say the photo is very poor and the descrition is full of a lot of wasted text. On the basis of what I can see I would not accept it.
Don't tell reviewers "this is eligible", that annoys a lot of people. If you are reviewing, you should understand the criteria. Similarly, a location "near to places for excercise" is irelevant. You have spent a lot of time telling us about everything else, but not much about the restaurant.
Does it have any awards? What makes it different from every other place with "good food"? Tell us more about his place and why it deserves to be accepted.
that support information is HUGE! maybe the last "paragraph" is the only relevant part to in the support photo.
and maybe improve the description. what does it offer? theme? what to excpet?
I didn't say it's eligible in the description. The cafés location and it's surroundings are the things I thought best to highlight. Surely having all those amenities in a park right next to the cafe are relevant to it?
As I understand just having great food or somewhere I like isn't enough so I thought it best not to highlight that.
Would it not fall into this section?
A favorite gathering place for friends or strangers alike, where you can share a drink or meal, be entertained, or watch public life happen. Or something that draws us together to share an experience in a locally and culturally relevant way.
summarize the about us section into the description. The description is about the park or the thing ? http://canburysecret.co.uk/about/
yes, it does. but ... reviewers and subjectivty, ya know? good luck and keep on trying.
Thanks.
Nothing needs to be special about places to get food, Niantic has left it vague and up to the reviewers. Many reviewers are suffering from playground/trail marker/mural burnout but they can't bring themselves to break from Niantics recommendations so they take their frustration out on cafes and restaurants. Joking aside that is what has happened, reviewer sees 20% cafe/restaurants they start being overly critical of them. The result is those nominations have like a 20% pass rate so they just keep getting resubmitted and the reviewers keep getting them to review and the cycle of burnout continues.
That depends. Are you nominating the Cafe or the Park? If it's the cafe, where it is located is of no relevance.
Honestly the supporting info has a lot of not needed info. All the stuff not about the restaurant specifically is honestly not worth stating at all. As all youve said about this restaurant is basically “italian food good food” then the rest is about the neighbourhood which has no relevance to the cafe itself. I don’t expect it to pass. And if it came to my screen i would reject it as well. Even the description is about anything but the cafe.
If you want a chance explain what makes the cafe unique with things about the cafe not the neighbourhood
1000%
Do you not think an independent cafe run by local people located in the centre of a park that has views over the River Thames, a bandstand, a rowing club, a pub, gym equipment, basketball court, playgrounds, tennis courts and garden allotments set in 14 acres of green public space would be a great place to be social with others and watch public life happen?
I get the cafe doesn't have a theme etc. If it was on a high Street it would be a nice, above average cafe. Does its location not set it above other cafes and make it distinctly special enough?
No - the POI is the Cafe. Where it is located or what is nearby has no relevance to the submission. If we start down that slippery **** then we will eventually have to start giving points to those subs that say "Not many stops round here". If a case cannot be made so that the cafe is "non generic" then it should be refused.
(Note for @NianticCasey-ING - why on earth does the Niantic text screener star out the word s-l-o-p-e. Talk about "triggered".....)
You don't give extra points to potential wayspots that don't have many others nearby?
Honestly no. Those are things that arent tied to the cafe. Whats special about the cafe? If theres nothing special and you try to list all the things around it guess what? Its still not unique or interesting to be a poi.
with that logic everything should be a poi because of what surrounds it
No worries, thanks for your help. I will go back to submitting Plastic Disc Trail Marker #47 - North entrance.
No. Nothing in the criteria guidelines says "Give extra points because there are not many Waypoints nearby". As for this nomination, there are plenty nearby.
I know, I added a few of them.
If there was say an area like that with those stops and something came up for review that was in your opinion a 3* would you not bump it up to 5* if the area has no stops?
No. Nothing in the criteria says for you to do that.
No worries, that sounds like a huge amount fun doing it that way. Thanks for the advice.