About the outdoor stickers proposed for POI
SturmRugerLCR-PGO
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The following POI suggestion is about outdoor stickers. There you will find a statement regarding the November 2020 AMA. The proposer states that they are proposing outdoor stickers because they believe they meet the Wayspots criteria for "best place to exercise".
Here's the thing: the proponent emphasizes in the supplemental explanation that "NIA staff has stated that trail markers guiding the course are appropriate targets.
However, as the link below shows, outdoor stickers deteriorate and peel off easily in a short period of time. In fact, these POIs have been removed.
◆There are three things I would like to confirm.
(1) Are these outdoor stickers POI compliant?
(2) Isn't adding the AMA's personal opinion to the supplementary explanation in this way "guiding the review", which is prohibited?
(3) This strain of suggestion is very often repeated, and I have seen more than one in a short distance, but doesn't it qualify as mass produced?
If it fits, please let me know because I would love to suggest it too.
In particular, I would like you to answer (1) and (2) clearly, because they are related to other cases as well. Thanks again, I appreciate it.
Comments
Anything that is temporary (as in something that won't last at least a few years) is not eligible, so a sticker is not eligible.
I think it would help if you could translate the support information of the nomination, as we can't copy and paste from the image.
@aleprj-PGO
◆POI Description
Trail markers for a walking course around the city, starting at the Shiki City Health Promotion Center.Saiwaimachi/Tate course "Encounter the Nanja Monja Tree" 1500m from the starting point.
◆supplementary information
This is a guide sign for a walking course that will be newly established in Shiki City in March 2021 as part of the city's citizen health promotion program. we propose this sign because we believe that it corresponds to a place where people can enjoy walking, which is one of the Wayspots Appropriateness Criteria "the best place for exercise.
It was stated by Niantic staff at the November AMA that trail markers guiding the course are appropriate targets.
See Wayfarer's help and other resources.
Yes trail markers are valid for consideration, however this example looks temporary to me so would not be approved.
Nothing wrong with referencing / giving links to rulings or comments in the supplementary information.
2. From November AMA
There are some important things to remember.
I don't think many people consider this sticker to be a trail marker.
Wouldn't stating them as if they were identical and misleading by quoting the AMA be seen as inducing a review?
If we can't have stickers placed by the local government, why can't we have paint because it will go bald?
I don't see anything wrong with it if the municipality installs it.
It's not a candidate to be clearly visible, so why not take a more inclusive view?
I don't consider those trail markers as well, but I can see people defending this idea. I don't think it's abuse, it'd just a bad nomination that should be rejected as temporary.
@aleprj-PGO
If the health promotion stickers placed by the local government come off, you can contact them to have them repaired, but even if they can be repaired, is it temporary?
I agree that the peeled off ones should be removed. The stickers in that Wayspot photo no longer exist, so I agree that the Wayspot should be removed. However, I have my doubts about considering outdoor stickers to be "temporary".
For example, imagine a wooden trail marker.
Eventually, it might rot, or the posts might break, or the letters might become unreadable.
If anybody repair it, The wayspot can remain same as the trail marker.
On the other hand, if anybody do not repair it, we will need to remove the wayspot.
Similarly, a walking marker should initially exist as a wayspot.
If it is not repaired, it should be removed.
The important thing is to get people to exercise.
Stickers are pretty much not eligible because of temporary reasons. Paint or murals are generally made to last decades and are inherently eligible.
Most of the stickers have a useful life of about 3.4 years.
But this candidate is a course created by the local government for health promotion, do they generally stop promoting health after 3.4 years?
They could last a while. Your biggest hurdle to ever get this passed is its a sticker. Personally I wouldnt bother trying.
My mistake, it was posted twice. I couldn't delete it so I edited it and deleted the text.
I know. Objects on the ground, like stickers or paint, are rarely approved. On the other hand, if it is an object, like the attached image, it will be approved.
https://ingress-intel.com/portal/deicke-park-walking-trail-marker/
The following is my request.
I would like to see markers placed by public authorities in places for walking allowed. This is because one of the objectives that the NIA is seeking (to encourage exercise) is the same.
I would like it to exist as a wayspot for those two or three years if the sticker is only durable for a couple of years. And when it is no longer visible, I think it should be removed.
I agree with you on the same idea.
If it has been scraped away and is no longer visible, then I think it should be removed.
But if it has been restored by the local government or community members, then isn't it permanent?
I think the important thing is whether it helps promote the movement or not, not whether it is a sign, sticker or paint.
Hi @SturmRugerLCR-PGO! We have reviewed the report and have taken action on the nomination and the Wayfinder in accordance with our policies. While we are unable to discuss our actions in detail to protect the submitter’s privacy, they may include, but are not limited to, sending a warning message, placing restrictions on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO, or Ingress account, putting their account on probation, or placing a temporary or permanent suspension on their Wayfarer, Pokémon GO or Ingress account. Thanks for helping us maintain the quality of the Wayspots.
Thank you for answering my question. In fact, there are several cases like the one you have already illustrated around this POI. I would like you to check if there were any illegal proposals like the above in these proposals. Please do.
@NianticGiffard
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We'll get them checked, thanks for reporting.
@NianticGiffard
Please clarify why the Wayfinder has received the punishment.
What are the problems?
1) Is it because the walking trail marker does not correspond to the exercise Criteria of Eligibility Criteria?
2) Was the November AMA reference considered an abuse?
3) Is the short service life of the seal a problem?
4) If you have any other problems, please tell me the reason.
I don't understand why Wayfinder is punished.
3) About
Everything deteriorates over time.
I think the word "temporary" should be used for things that have a fixed removal date or that can be easily moved.
* Useful life is different depending on the manufacturer.
https://www.sanko-kikaku.com/signsheet/signmenu/quicksheet/
Please also reply about my walking trail marker.
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/discussion/19122/are-walking-trails-markers-eligible
I think it is desirable that the exercise load obtained by visiting Wayspot can be freely selected according to the health condition of the player.
@NianticGiffard
It is a reference material.
"Walking course for health promotion and physical fitness improvement" is introduced on the site of Shiki City, Saitama Prefecture.
https://www.city.shiki.lg.jp/index.cfm/60,104578,162,1399,html?20210331120123692
Since yesterday the number of POIs has increased, so we add.
Please check this too.
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@NianticGiffard
Additional suggestions have been made and are attached.
@NianticGiffard
The word "November AMA" doesn't appear even in a single letter!
It just has the URL of the walking trail.
This nomination follows the Eligibility Criteria and there is nothing wrong with it.
It seems to me that you are either blind to the true nature of this issue, or you are deliberately trying to distract us from what is at stake here.
Apart from the act of guiding the judges by writing about the AMA, one of the problems is that this is just a sticker sticker that has no permanence and can be replaced anywhere.
Nonetheless, the applicant has applied for more, which is why it is being added here.
Do not deliberately confuse the "stickable and peelable" outdoor road sheet for one-off events with the "easy to stick but not peelable" outdoor road sheet for public works projects.
I think it is logical to think that you are using a "marker sticker with a useful life that matches the purpose of installation".
Reference material is attached.
@NianticGiffard
I have a request.
From now on, please ask an impartial person who understands Japanese to translate the images.
Thank you for reading.
Walking trails are not listed on AMA.
However, I think they have many similarities as "things that encourage exercise by moving on the course".
It is asking.
Please tell me why Wayfinder was punished.
We took another look at the Wayspot(s) in question and decided that it does not meet our criteria for removal at this time.
@NianticGiffard
People are considering this answer as a precedent to say that citing AMA is a reason for punishment for influencing reviewers.
Can you guys come back to it and clarify before more harm is done?
NianticGiffard has made it clear that AMA citations are not abuse.