Ok but, this is not a car route

[schumi95]

Proposta di Wayspot per Bacheca Informativa Comunale - Via Achille Grandi

Genzano di Roma RM

Genzano di Roma RM (41.707464,12.682187)

Ricorso non accettato

2026-03-12 - Rejected

Note del ricorso (info)

Salve. Questa proposta è stata respinta erroneamente dal sistema automatico (ML) con la motivazione di “negozio o ristorante generico”. Come è evidente dalle foto, non si tratta assolutamente di un’attività commerciale, ma di una bacheca informativa ufficiale del Comune di Genzano di Roma, completa di stemma istituzionale. Questo Wayspot soddisfa pienamente i criteri di idoneità come “luogo eccellente per socializzare o connettersi con la comunità”. Le bacheche comunali sono infatti hub iper-locali in cui i cittadini si fermano per leggere avvisi, scoprire eventi locali e scambiarsi informazioni. La struttura è permanente. Vi chiedo cortesemente una revisione manuale per correggere la valutazione errata dell’intelligenza artificiale. Grazie.

opr_criteria

Criteri Wayfarer

pedestrian

Nessun accesso pedonale

Non è stato possibile confermare che la posizione della proposta nel mondo reale disponga di un percorso pedonale accettabile

Nota di Niantic

Thanks for the appeal, Wayfinder! The object’s location in question does not have pedestrian access which does not meet the Wayfarer criteria. We recommend you review the Wayspot rejection criteria before submitting your next Wayspot contribution: https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en27-wayfarer/faq/276-rejection-criteria/

I revisori hanno fornito questi motivi principali per non aver accettato questa proposta:

• L’oggetto della proposta è sprovvisto di un accesso pedonale che conduce all’oggetto

Descrizione

Bacheca ufficiale per le affissioni pubbliche del Comune di Genzano di Roma. Situata lungo la strada, funge da punto di riferimento per le comunicazioni istituzionali e gli avvisi rivolti ai residenti della zona.

Posizione

Genzano di Roma, Lazio

Visualizza su Google Maps

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Local maps (): Geoportale Nazionale*

Via Achille Grandi, 30, 00045 Genzano di Roma RM, Italia

Informazioni supplementari

Si tratta della struttura permanente per le affissioni del Comune, identificabile dallo stemma ufficiale in alto. La bacheca è fissata su un muro di cinta in pietra ed è accessibile in sicurezza dal marciapiede. La posizione è corretta e verificabile tramite la vista satellitare o Street View (cercando il muro in pietra caratteristico). Hub comunitario adatto per socializzare e per esplorare. Non è un duplicato.

As is clearly visible on Street View, vehicle access is prohibited, making it a pedestrian-only route. The municipality would not place an information point in an area where people risk being hit by a car.

[wooperIooper]

[salixsorbus]

The exact location of this hoarding is not safe for pedestrians to stand at while staring at their phones.

This also looks like an advertising hoarding, not an information bulletin board, so fails for that as well.

[schumi95]

@schumi95

41.707464,12.682187

Depending on the time of year, municipal notices may also appear, as it’s a municipal noticeboard (see the logo). I don’t know why cars passed through in that photo; it’s a no-entry sign, but the sign is clearly visible in your shot, too.

[salixsorbus]

Still not safe!

[wooperIooper]

Sorry but this is not really a notice board if it usually has ads

[schumi95]

@salixsorbus

Still not safe

"I am a bit confused, as the property is not located on a regular road. It overlooks a restricted street where general traffic is not permitted. The only exceptions are likely vehicles for individuals with limited mobility, as the road leads to a school. At most, a few cars might pass during school drop-off and pick-up hours, but it is far from being a dangerous road.

[schumi95]

@wooperIooper

Sorry but this is not really a notice board if it usually has ads

The municipality also sells those spaces for advertising purposes. However, depending on the time of year, you may find municipal notices there.

[wooperIooper]

If cars can go there (and evidently do so as street view shows) it really isn’t safe.

And these boards are extremely ubiquitous and mostly used for advertisements, in my opinion they do not meet criteria in the same way an actual community notice board does

[salixsorbus]

Streetview shows this location is not safe.

[SlimboyFat71]

This was discussed previous at…

https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/t/i-dont-understand-im-confused

The consensus was that this is an Advertising hoarding as shown by multiple streetview images throughout many years.

@SlimboyFat71

Out of 12 different Street Views everyone looks like advertisements. Pet Shop / General Store / Mobile Phones etc.

This is not a Notice Board where you would expect parish notices, when the Bingo is on at the parish hall (or the local equivalents).

As the posts are extremely similar I would also like to remind that having multiple accounts is against the Terms of Service.

This nomination has been rejected at least twice, appeals have been rejected at least twice. you have been informed by multiple people why this does not meet criteria. Time to move on and try something else…

[schumi95]

I re-proposed my friend’s candidacy, I didn’t know that he had already discussed it otherwise I wouldn’t have reinserted it into the forum. However, I’m confused. It seems to me that some things tend to be very rigid, while others aren’t. For example, murals are considered permanent when they are, and can be removed at any moment.

[schumi95]

[quote=“SlimboyFat71, post:11, topic:112132”]
This is not a Notice Board where you would expect parish notices, when the Bingo is on at the parish hall (or the local equivalents).
[/quote] false, I have demonstrated that when the municipality needs to notify something it is also used for this purpose

[SlimboyFat71]

@schumi95

For example, murals are considered permanent when they are, and can be removed at any moment.

Trying to pitch 1 type of POI against another is not a strong argument but as you mentioned it.

Authorised Murals are likely to last for a long time. They meet the “Explore” criteria. The usually don’t just disappear, many may be replaced with another Mural but staff has stated that in these cases it is not re-purposing.

[SlimboyFat71]

@schumi95

false, I have demonstrated that when the municipality needs to notify something it is also used for this purpose

False, you have shown 1 example where Election “bills” have been pasted on to the “Advertising Board” next to “Advertisements”.

Remember that local reviewers (not me) have voted on this at least twice and they have decided “nah, this is an Advertising Board”

If I go and write “This is a Motorbike on my car, it doesn’t make it a Motorbike”

[schumi95]

@SlimboyFat71

Trying to pitch 1 type of POI against another is not a strong argument but as you mentioned it.

Authorised Murals are likely to last for a long time. They meet the “Explore” criteria. The usually don’t just disappear, many may be replaced with another Mural but staff has stated that in these cases it is not re-purposing.

Quello che dite è logicamente sbagliato, e vi spiego perché.

Innanzitutto, per quanto riguarda la sicurezza e l’accesso pedonale: come si può vedere chiaramente, la strada ha un cartello che indica che il traffico veicolare NON è consentito. Non ho scritto da nessuna parte che si tratti di una ZTL, ma il transito non è permesso. Se poi, durante gli orari di entrata o uscita dalla scuola, passa abusivamente o per necessità qualche auto, parliamo di pochi minuti nell’arco della giornata. Nelle restanti 23 ore e 50 minuti lì non passa letteralmente nessuno, rendendo l’accesso pedonale più che sicuro.

In secondo luogo, la struttura è di proprietà del Comune. Se il Comune decide di utilizzarla a volte per affissioni pubblicitarie non è certo colpa mia, ma questo non cambia la sua natura: resta a tutti gli effetti una bacheca informativa istituzionale.

Per rispondere specificamente a @SlimboyFat71 sul paragone: i murales molto spesso vengono cancellati, coperti o ripuliti non appena il muro necessita di essere ripitturato o restaurato. Di “definitivo” e permanente hanno ben poco, a differenza di una struttura metallica fissata su un muro di pietra.

Sinceramente, non capisco perché vi piaccia così tanto alterare la realtà dei fatti come più vi fa comodo pur di smontare una proposta valida. Ma d’altronde mi avevano già avvertito che in questo forum l’andazzo era esattamente questo.

[schumi95]

Divieto di transito: segnale e tipologie di divieto

[salixsorbus]

This location is not safe for someone to stand staring at their phone. It doesn’t matter how many vehicles use the road.

[SlimboyFat71]

What you say is logically wrong, and I explain why.

I disagree.

First of all, with regard to safety and pedestrian access:

I was not discussing safety, that is a different argument and even if you could prove that it was Safe this does not change the “Does Not Meet Criteria”.

Secondly, the structure is owned by the municipality.

Have you shown proof of this?

If the Municipality decides to use it sometimes for advertising billboards it is certainly not my fault,

12 times out of 12 visits for Streetview can not be classed as as “sometimes”, more like “Almost Always”.

but this does not change its nature: it remains in all respects an institutional information board.

it remains in all respects an Advertising Board.

To specifically respond to @SlimboyFat71 on the comparison: murals very often are cancelled, covered or cleaned up as soon as the wall needs to be repainted or restored. Of “definitive” and permanent they have very little, unlike a metal structure fixed on a stone wall.

This depends on your definition of Murals and Graffiti. Authorised Murals usually remain for a really long time.

Unauthorised Graffiti will usually be more temporary and that is why I would Reject them.

Sincerely, I do not understand why you like so much to alter the reality of the facts as it suits you

What Facts have I altered and none of this “suits me” as this is not where I play the game. Myself and others are giving our opinions and advice to answer Your question of why this was Rejected.

most in order to disassemble a valid proposal.

In your opinion (and seemingly only yours).

But on the other hand I had already been warned that in this forum the trend was exactly that.

Did these warnings come from others that have had their nominations Rejected by Local Reviewers, Appeals rejected by Staff then post here and get upset because people that are using the official criteria to advise you don’t state what you was hoping to hear.

You have been given advice and the post is now going round in circles.

Unless you have evidence that what I and others have stated is incorrect then I will step back. Our advise is better suited to others that will listen instead of blankly refusing to accept.

Good luck for future nominations.

[schumi95]

@salixsorbus

This location is not safe for someone to stand staring at their phone. It doesn’t matter how many vehicles use the road.

@SlimboyFat71

Have you shown proof of this?

Honestly, the rest of the arguments are barely worth commenting on.

Regarding the contents of the board: the municipality uses this space according to its current needs. I have already provided a scan clearly showing official municipal notices posted there. Just because the municipality decides to manage and use the board differently depending on the moment, it doesn’t change the fact that it is a municipal property placed there to serve a public function.

As for the safety concerns: the school bus literally stops in that exact spot to drop off kids. But sure, I guess here in Italy we are all criminals who just want children to get run over by cars! Obviously, if a spot is deemed safe by the city for a school bus drop-off, it is perfectly safe for pedestrians.