The New Wayfinder Rating System! announcement post primed us to expect submission distance increases in a future release.
I am curious what people think the new submission distances might be.
For context, our current limit is 10 kilometres. Ingress used to have a larger range of 25 km. Below is a table of all of the contribution types and their ranges.
| Contribution Type |
Pokemon Go |
Wayfarer Website |
Ingress (former) |
| Nominations |
10 km |
10 km |
25 km |
| Location edits |
80 metres |
N/A |
50 km |
| Text edits |
80 metres |
N/A |
100 km |
| Photo edits |
80 metres |
N/A |
100 km |
| Reports |
80 metres |
No limit |
No limit |
(Edits are not possible via Web Submit so I took the teaser to be for nominations only.)
Given that the submission caps and accruals increments for each level of the new system, what do people think the new submission ranges might be for…
- Novice
- Apprentice
- Explorer
- Expert
- Champion
Well champion should be at least 100km like ingress. I prefer more though.
You need to dream bigger.
Parity for what was lost with Ingress for lower levels in any case, and beyond that as much as possible for higher levels.
If someone is a Champion who has proved themselves as a Wayfarer, why give a distance limit at all? If someone takes a vacation on the other side of the planet, why shouldn’t they be allowed to submit once they get back home?
Ideally, it would only need evidence that the player visited the area recently, say within 1 km of any point from the game records.
or
Treat nominations “on hold” as drafts, allowing the player to edit or replace nomination photos, change the location, etc., or delete the nomination completely, and allow the draft to be resumed from “on hold” without a distance limit. Then even a very minimal nomination made on site could be improved later.
Woo i like this. Actually i have things i forget to submit when i went to nusa tenggara barat. Its 1000km away from where i am now. So i will be very happy if champion can reach at least that far.
Or be able to resubmit things that get rejected incorrectly! I don’t see why not.
My problem is that champion is still a low bar to be given that kind of power. World wide text edits sure but worldwide nominations is a lot of temptation. Remember the adage, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. We need some guardrails. There are very few people I would trust with even hemisphere sized nomination power. All of them are over 50,000 agreements not 1,500.
I don’t understand why you would not trust someone over a world-wide range that you would trust at a closer one. Either they submit correctly or they don’t, and abuse standards are already in place. Why would submitting further away be an issue?
Personally I would be happy with 40 km.
I’m a professional driver for my metro area’s public transit agency, for the appointment shuttle service for the handicapped, and as a result I drive around pretty randomly all the time. My weekly driving distance is something like 1300-1500 km - but all within one metro area. 40 km is about the farthest that I could be from either my office or my house, so would allow for just taking the pictures and doing the submit later at a more comfortable location.
I would think that most people who are travelling long distance would also have a chance to sit down and pause somewhere within that same distance (hotel room, etcetera).
I only have two submissions (out of a little over 100, with 87 approved) that are outside of that 40 km range from both my home and work… and one of those was within 5 km of somewhere that I was staying overnight (for three nights) when submitted. The one remaining was at a gas station halfway there (it was a long distance driving trip).
I’m going to disagree with this assumption. I recently got back from a trip to Ireland. I had terrible cell service so i couldn’t do Wayfarer when i was at all the cool sites. But i had wifi where i was staying each night. My days were spent driving at least an hour away (maybe more) from the rental house - to a city or a tourist attraction. If i could have taken photos and submitted them back at “home base” each night, that would have been great. I would also have spent some time each morning looking at the map from home, getting an idea of what wayspots already existed where i was going for the day. I was much further each day than 40 km. Many days, i was more than 100 km away.
I’m planning a trip in the fall to London. I’m hoping to do a day trip to Stonehenge and Bath. Now, I’m sure those are covered pretty well for Wayspots. But if i want to add a photo or even if i find something new to submit, I’d rather just take the photos and worry about connectivity at night back at my London hotel. That distance is going to be pretty far. Part of this is that while I’m sightseeing, i want to be immersed in the experience. I don’t want to be fooling around with maps. I look like a crazy person when i Wayfind - i talk to myself and move the map around and mumble about pin locations. I really hate doing this if I’m traveling with someone. Being able to just snap a few photos and do it later really is a great solution. Distance shouldn’t stop a great, trustworthy Wayfinder from making a positive impact.
My faith and trust in submitters keeps getting shaken too much for this. I feel like I encounter abuse clusters while reviewing in the USA about every other day reviewing. Many are very well done and submitted by people who know the system well, say all the right things, and present everything in a very reasonable manner. Then the location is wrong or its somewhere ridiculous. Also the number of people using AI to invent waypoints. It’d be a disaster if they could submit from even greater distances than they can now.
Having double the old ingress distance of 25km would be a win in my opinion.
I agree, I travel a lot, both for fun and for business. I do like to take pictures, but I really don’t want to submit wayspots while enjoying the scenery (not even submitting in draft)
On a small island like Curacao, the current limit is usually fine, but certainly in the US and Europe I often drive distances over 300km. I have made thousands of pictures of really interesting stuff, I’m sure many would be great wayspots.
Personally I think that the risk of bad nominations even decreases with long distance nominations. As most wayfarers will not submit those for personal gain, as it is less likely they will return there.
I’ve just recently had an issue whereby I was on holiday and tried to submit a wayspot nomination just before I left. Due to poor mobile signal or some other reason I don’t know, there was an error with the submission and I lost it all but only realised after I left for home and was several hundred km from the Wayspot location. I have all the details, spent time writing and translating a description in a second language only to find that all my efforts were in vain. I personally agree with @pokemaster4u2 and think that if you’re contributing a Wayspot from a distance I don’t know why you’d be less likely to be honest when making the submission, as I don’t see what you’d have to gain from it?