Maybe your argument would have merit if you were actually talking about Wayfarer. Routes have ZERO to do with Wayfarer. We cant be responsible for people’s misunderstanding of a completely different system.
That’s like saying Pokemon GO is bad because all the nonsense that is happening in the Pokemon card collecting world right now. Same IP, different games.
This is a point I agree with. When the only feedback is a warning, it is scary.
Unfortunately, it will be impossible to reverse the situation because an irreversible roadmap was established a year ago.
I don’t understand this comment, either. would you like to explain?
100% agree with the “unfortunately impossible to reverse” part. That’s just how entropy works: creating less chaos and more order requires energy (money) from outside, and Pokémon brings money into the system to create more places to play, not to preserve masterpieces.
Looking at how the meta shifts over time (something midiocre gets accepted on appeal yesterday, appears in-game today, and tomorrow players start submitting and accepting similar things), I don’t think this is mainly an “educating reviewers” problem. It’s more about what level of quality the Wayfarer team and help chat are willing to tolerate in the game without removing.
From my position as a submitter, the goal is to have fun and identify genuinely good places to explore, socialize, or exercise (like, submit local café without michelin stars or a million reviews, or submit a chain gym) before the cell gets filled with street signs, or someone submits low-quality junk through appeals.
Reviewer education does not really help here.
I don’t understand this at all. You want your good stuff in game, so why not educate reviewers as to what should be accepted?
Say, I use appeal to get local café accepted, which reviewers considered low quality junk without stars and million reviews. In the wayfarer feedback terms, reviewers who rejected that, already got the agreement. If they and others look at the map, they will see approved wayspot. What is better way to educate here?
PGO has tips in the loading screen. Are you thinking of putting them in the PGO loading screen or somewhere else? I can’t think of any other loading screens directly associated with WF.
It’s hard to know where to begin, so I’ll just sketch things out in broad strokes.
What I’m seeing here now looks remarkably similar to what I watched unfold about a year ago.
And, rather awkwardly, the wayfinders who are currently criticizing the quality of newly approved pokestops look very much like the group who used to be here back then — the ones with those “specific needs,” as some of you liked to call them.
At the time, many of you brushed off their concerns and warnings with a polite laugh.
In the end, that group welcomed the spin‑out of Niantic Spatial and the split of the Wayspot database, and then quietly walked away from Wayfarer.
And yet here we are: the very people who once waved them off are now expressing the same worries, lamenting the same decline.
It does rather suggest that their concerns and warnings were, unfortunately, correct.
Water only flows downhill, and spilled milk does not pour itself back into the bottle.
The “canaries in the coal mine” — those with the “specific needs” — are no longer here to raise their voices.
Given that, and considering that the Wayfarer Team seems far more enthusiastic about tasks they were never meant to handle — such as importing PokéStops — the prospects for improvement appear vanishingly small.
If there is a single remaining path to recovery, it would be to halt all community reviews entirely and let eMily handle the process.
At the moment, she appears to be applying stricter criteria than many of the wayfinders here, so perhaps things could return to something resembling the ancient era when Niantic staff performed reviews themselves.
Of course, that would also mean that most of the work currently done by wayfinders would simply disappear.
Accepting that outcome might be a touch cruel, wouldn’t it.
ty for trying. still don’t know what you are saying. will leave it alone.
Let me translate for you… “The sky is falling.”
Right now, I just want to know where I stand—what my “score” would be if my reviews were tested against the actual criteria.
But you don’t see all the success that happens here. We see them in the game. Most people nominate successfully. They never come here. The forum has areas that specifically call on people to appeal or get help to improve. The games themselves can be chat bot circles of doom for support. So I would expect to see more calls for help/negative comments here. Does not mean the system is too hard. Many many of the comments here are about how too easy it is to nominate or review and the games fill up with coal. So you have both sides at play
I cannot comment on the routes success or otherwise as I cannot see your routes. But I agree it can be very confusing as to how that system works!!!
We often go in circles on this whole debate. People want to get their review awards. Others as many noms in game. Result wayferer fills with rubbish.
Another group of people don’t want coal they want quality noms. Well written, photographed, criteria alignment and so on. Reviewing becomes tedious when it is all the same poor rubbish coming in. And with people not interested in quality just the reward. People help put more rubbish in the game
I fail to see why reviewing and nomination cannot have better on boarding and ongoing training reminders on quality.
And for reviewers by using eMiLy and the category section - who not put tips up front. Walk through the Niantic Criteria Collection for that category type. If criteria clarification not exist ONLY show normal tips on Text/Photo quality and what makes great to explore etc etc
The same on nomination. Use eMiLy for client side AI. And couple with selecting category early. So not just generic tips on start. But tips that refer directly to nomination type.
I think many people have suggestions on this. But from a work, from a training perspective and so on. Onboarding and regular training is done. Why? To maintain quality. and it works. And many other systems based on ingestion of data - have in built suggestions/tips in the system - to improve data. So why try to reinvent wheels? Look at this space and see what else can be done
I hear you.
Let eMiLy do more reviewing as better on understanding the rules.
The many people over the years have made suggestions/talked about rubbish in for more rubbish out equals more rubbish in and the cycle just gets worse. Particularly when you increase the potential pool of nominators/reviewers. So these are the canaries in the coalmine
I would say specific needs are those who tried to uphold quality but where called out as being elitist in some form. Versus holding up the signs saying. look at the sheer amount of dross the system is creating…
Ultimately. Quality waypoints don’t pay the wages. So unless low quality is proven to impact bottom line. Then I don’t see the dial moving. I get it.
And I would not want to be the support team that has to work these forums. They have to deal with me to start with . So balancing everyones views while toeing the organisation direction must be hard
That said. I stick to better data in - does equal a better experience - and results in even more better data in.
