Hiking trail declined, ON APPEAL, for "lack of pedestrian access"

San Antonito Open Space has now been accepted.

I don’t really care how that happened. I just thank the elves or fairies or whomever.

I wonder if I can delete this thread…

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Why would you want it closed? It helped people learn something new and share thoughts on how to frame nominations.

If you don’t wish for notifications, you can always unfollow the thread.

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@teamnoir well done getting this past… Or the fairies

I think that it is easy to reject if you don’t know what the concrete block is. Just saying I can see why it could have been rejected. Now we all know what that block is for Thanks @elijustrying good spot it makes it easier to review in the future.

And I do agree with others views that the Description/Supporting information could have had more. I learnt a long time ago, make it easy for the reviewer to go yes this will pass. Every bit of supporting information you can. A slam dunk to me may not be a slam dunk for other so - I help them

If I see a nomination for review that seems borderline and does not help me and needs me to and do the hard work proving their nomination I generally reject somewhere along the lines of not meeting criteria as I don’t have evidence to show otherwise. (I said generally).

It took me a while in nominating to get it right. And boy was it frustrating. But listening to the advice, from titles, photo taking, nailing my supporting information (and being a bit more selective on what I want nominated} I am 95% effective

And I always upload later. And I take time to research/edit and update the nomination so I am not relying on quick work in the field

I can see how my comments could be frustrating. But I hope it helps.

I wonder how Emily would have gone with brown grass, dirt, wood, green stuff

And I am glad it got through! I agree with @Gendgi we need discussions like this to learn.

So thanks for sharing!!!

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Ah in the U.K. nearly all will be focussed on the sign.
Different approach hopefully same result :sunglasses:

His is wild I got one approved of a hiking trail… but they put the location at my house… a private residence no public access … Lucky me :grin:

You probably nominated it from home, and forgot to move the pin to the correct location.

Now you need to consider the privacy ramifications of attracting unknown gamers to your house. Of all current and future games.

You may want to contact help chat to correct the position. It may look like intentional abuse if someone else reports it.

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all mine horse trails that have a sidewalk, was dangerous because horse track, but if this entrance for horse is ok?, so entrance for horse are good but a trail marker pole for horse not even if there is sidewalk

This is even better then sport route you can follow ?whit meeting place in begin start end and a lot of direction signs? And have a name map

So who can explain it?

Waypoints need a safe place for pedestrians.

Ya Im in the process of filling out there help questionier… thanks

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Having a sidewalk next to something invalid, doesn’t make it valid.

@RoIi112 it do have pedestrian access. You can search ad mine topics for the full story.

Horse trail markers.

@MargariteDVille yes i know so i am wondering if niantic accepts this horse trail entrance.
And told me its unsave or not valid wayspot, because of the :racehorse: running/walking

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You can walk up to the horse trail entrance. (Maybe the groomer walks the horse there, with a rider atop. Or the rider’s spouse waits there for their return. Or someone just knows there’s a horse trail and stops by to see if they can see any horses.)

Trails made for horses, bicycles, dune buggies, cars - are not meant for pedestrians. A basic requirement for Wayspots is that they have to be for human walkers.

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I feel like this message is phrased as an absolute but the reality is that it is not true in all cases. Because of that, it may be taken to mean that if there’s a mild counter it breaks your comment.

Some of these types of trails do offer explicit signage saying “no pedestrian use” - this is true. Some (MANY, maybe even ALL that I’ve seen) do not say “no pedestrian use” but they do say “hikers yield to horses,” “pedestrians move off trail for bicycles,” etc.

I think there’s a better way to approach and explain this. I think that these shared utility trails are often simply unsafe for a phone based AR gaming experience where you are encouraged to be distracted by your phone and not cognizant of approaching harm that could lead to personal or bystander danger. It’s the same rationale I express with parking lots or low traffic US suburban roads. None of these I consider an absolute block, but usually expect some sort of safe standing area off route.

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Here is a nice sign. That allow everyone make use of the same path.

Here opposites
Here everyone need to respect pedestrian since they are the weakest in traffic.

Hikers yield to horse riders. Or pedestrian move off trail for bicycle we dont have here let stand a sign for it. ( but its normal to make for horse some space so they can pass comfortable)

And your always self responsible for your surroundings, not only ad a wayspot, but also when you walk from wayspot to wayspot

I hear you. In UK there are bridleways. Shared paths for both walking and horses.

Thing is people who don’t use them or don’t know horses don’t realise or know that a bridleway is a shared trail for both pedestrians and the horses. It just denotes a trail suitable for horses as well as humans. Or that the signage lets other users know what type of shared trail it is.

You need to make that clear (if relevant) in this case. And if there is a footpath next to horse path then it needs pointing out and made clear in supporting photo.

But anything I say is moot as I have not seen the nomination that failed. So

@Panjadraakj post a new post in the forum. With the nomination in full (photos, title, text, supporting and ensure address) I hate typing out or using tools so if you can provide maps link that would help. The community is good at providing advice to make a nomination better.

Me I get the whole multi use trail thing and the whole horse thing. So I want to help :slight_smile: But make a new post so very specific. How can I get this rejected trail accepted… And lets go from there

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In the U.K. you don’t have to demonstrate there is a separate path along side. The primary path is pedestrian. It has the public right of way. On a bridleway horses are also allowed. On a byway horses and vehicles are allowed.
There is no problem with bridleways in the uk

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We have parks with horse-only trails, and others where horses and humans share the trail.

It’s up to the nominator to show that a trail is OK for humans. In the U.S., a sign saying “Horse Trail” does not guarantee humans too. If a trail is horses-only, that doesn’t qualify as having pedestrian access.

Repeat above for bike trails, stock cars, etc.

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Thanks @TheDoctorBird for your help
, its no use to make any new topic. Because they never give any explanation.
Or reasonable awnser

Great its in the UK acceptable. And thank you for always giving a honest comment @elijustrying

@MargariteDVille i always add as many information as possible, but then it still can be acceptable in some countries and other ones not.