Proof of granted permiss, and edition of "vandalism art"

I think it’s confusing because you are talking about vandalism art in the title and post as well, which isn’t needed if this is going to get repainted.

@kr3ith Sorry, I think I blew you off too quickly.

Basically, in the topic that ambassador @elijustrying provided, there was an argument going on whether creating/contributing interesting public art pieces/street art/murals with the support of the community constitutes abuse, reason being you are manipulating the gameboard by making your own point of interest to generate a wayspot.

For this specific topic, Niantic chimed in and rejected this specific artwork by the the original poster, who is an artist, who nominated some tile art she made with the support of her local community. That seems to have set the precedence that it is considered abuse to make an art piece in an area with the intent to generate a new wayspot.

This was of course, highly contested by other forum members, who may have viewed Wayfarer as an opportunity to contribute something worthwhile to their local community, be it in the form of public art or community gardens etc. It’s a strange argument otherwise. I mean, if you somehow fund the making of a public gazebo for your neigbourhood park, is it considered abuse if i submit it as a wayspot? What if I got my brother, who doesn’t play PoGo, to fund it? I believe the intent of the ruling was to curtail people from going about making crap wayspots which are neither distinct, permanent, culturally significant nor wayfarer eligible, but if a project is executed well, with the backing/consent of the local community, it shouldn’t change the fact that there is a beautiful new gazebo in the park that people can use or a lovely community garden at the end of the street. Besides, a ruling like that might discourage action on the part of the community and compel them to wait idly for something to happen, instead of encouraging proactive behaviour that would have benefited the community anyway. Of course, when it comes to art like murals and street decorations, it becomes more complicated what with the issues of utility, consent and permenance, and hence the intense discussion in the previous topic. Of course, as many forum users have already mentioned, you also need proof of consent and likely permanence for these pieces.

I intentionally did not elaborate on this in my earlier post because it was discussed in great detail in the previous topic and many points were made in far effective a manner than what I am capable of.

What I did gleamed from the entire topic, however, is the matter of intent. Basically, if you intend to make a place of interest just to be able to nominate a wayspot, that’s considered abuse. But, if you intend to contribute to the community first, and then only consider submitting it as a wayspot later, that’s more acceptable. So my advice is that when making a nomination, make your intent clear but “pure”, or if you want even less fuss, omit intent unless otherwise solicited.

I know you may not be particularly motivated or be in a position that makes you capable of contributing something to the local community at the moment, but I think these discussions are valuable nontheless for anyone else who stumbles onto the topic.

I apologise for the long read but I just wanted to be transparent.

Edit: sorry i just re-read your comment and understood that you understood and share my sentiment.

If you’re more comfortable conversing in Spanish, please do, we can use a translator

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Please read the threads Eli linked above.

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We do not know if the driving factor here is just to have a Wayspot. The OP may want to clean up this area and has offered their services. Maybe ask the OP more about this than tagging me and saying I should read someone else’s post first.

Wayfarer is in many respects another “game”. Perhaps this is the underlying source of your frustration? You are actually playing 2 different games Pokemon Go and wayfarer.

Just like Pokémon Go, Wayfarer has rules about what you can and can’t do that everyone is expected to stick to. When we are giving advice it’s because our range of experience. A lot of Wayfarer is about judgement calls so some answers have a nuances. we are all tasked to use our best judgement with regard to the rules. As I explained above handmade drawings, completed to a low standard, in order to create a game advantage, also create a risk of a sanction on your Pokémon Go account. It’s not nice to see people end up with a ban when it could easily have been avoided.

Please reconsider the position you are fixed on and concentrate your efforts on something that is eligible, as opposed to something that is not.

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OP is taking the role of an artist, with permission of the property owner to paint (a mural) over graffiti. There is nothing wrong with this.

OP, to actually answer your original question. It really doesn’t matter what you paint over. What matters is how you present the nomination.

Make sure you include information that can help reviewers recognize your art as officially sanctioned.

Personally I would not paint it over with a Pokémon, I would suggest a subject matter that all the locals can appreciate.

Awesome good to know

I was thinking in painting over it, as to take advantage of said vandalisim to male something out of it, but is not well recieved aparently.

Of course, as many forum users have already mentioned, you also need proof of consent and likely permanence for these pieces.

Someone mention to post instagram of the artist, but what if i become the artist? It that counts?

Basically, if you intend to make a place of interest just to be able to nominate a wayspot, that’s considered abuse.

Well to be honest i only pay attention to the grafitti after the fact , is funny because it appear after i mention to the owner of the wall as it was painted over with political propaganda and i wanted the political party to come paint my wall, my neighboor didnt like said party and ask them to paint it which they did and afterwars the grafitti appear and my neighboor has no issue with it.

So back to the topic so my intent cannot be both, i mean no one really cares about the grafitti making into something educational or artistic is good? My community (my neighboors) dont really care either way i asked already.

El mensaje dice que si le importa, el no dion autorizacion, quiere que pinten de blanco.

I have no problem in following the rules hence why im here asking about them because i had never had issues before. My position is simple using something that otherwise is consider vandalism and that it wasnt bother anyone to make something out of it, i have no desire to cheat the system and trying to used it to my benefit and everyone that uses pogo around. I dont know if thats consider bad and cannot understand why would it but alas i stick to the rules

It is not only about presentation but crucially the intent is important.

You haven’t discussed producing a good quality mural you have said about doing further graffiti yourself with the intent to create something in the game. Please do show us if your skills go beyond the drawing of ditto.

It’s your decision and you have been fully informed that if you persist in following this route you are aware of the risks to your account.

I don’t think anyone can help further unless you wish to discuss other potential places to submit.

Please do reconsider.

You also have to remember that even if you can prove that you have permission most people will make decision partly on there opinion of the quality whether it would be classed as a Mural or still Graffiti.

You could do all the work and still not get your waypoint.

I been considering why would be asking otherwise jezz bro i get it is not so complicated corporte has rules yall got to follow that i get my dumb self got a strike because i didnt understand the guide lines and make a location mistake, im trying to work on that. I am aware of the consecuences thank you for your insistance on pointing out also i will not give up on trying is on my blood to overcome!!! If i have to become and artist and paint a great mural to satisfy the GODS! So be it.

Im being dramatic btw i probaly forget by monday :wink: have a great weekend!

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Eso era de la propaganda, de la hache que pintaron sobre el blanco que pinto no le importa :sweat_smile::rofl::joy: