It doesn’t look like the bowling place is a wayspot, there seems to be an imported powerspot for Les amis de la barrière but that would not prevent you from submitting the bowling place. If you pin it by the entrance it would most likely become a pokestop but probably be far enough away that you would be able to keep the powerspot too!
Like Cyndie said, we don’t really have an official clarification on mixed-use locations.
There was a recent discussion on this topic
and also a rejected appeal for the removal of a wayspot at a Bnb that the owners also lived at
Might be. It’s gonna be in the same cell so I don’t know how it’ll turn out but I’ll try. At least it’ll add to the game. You can see the graffiti on your screenshot btw. Also the location for this one is innacurate. THey pinned it almost on the street, it’s more inward on the side of the building.
If the existing location is an imported powerspot, that does not prevent a user-submitted wayspot in an otherwise-empty cell becoming a pokestop. All that matters is existing pokestops and gyms when you are trying to submit a waystop to get a pokestop.
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Sure. But this is another discussion unrelated to the main topic which is that I don’t understand how my original nomination was discarded. Still makes no sens to me. I feel like I constantly get mixed signal from the wayfarer rules and peoples.
I agree it’s not directly related, but it is people trying to find alternative eligible things to submit, so that you can worry less about this particular flag/shop.
Sometimes people try to submit ineligible things, but if the result of posting here is that people find things for them that they wouldn’t otherwise have found, the end result is better for them.
I didn’t comment on the flag/shop because you had had feedback on it. My feelings are that it is simply not eligible as it doesn’t meet Social/Exercise/Exploration criteria.
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The original nomination was most likely rejected because the automated process - a machine learning model - did not recognize anything in the original submission that it had learned was probably eligible to be considered by the community. We don’t know exactly what they have it set to look for, and we shouldn’t, because that could easily be abused. So my advice, in my first comment, was to make it more clear what you are trying to submit in a new photo if you do try to resubmit. That will also help reviewers if it makes it to community review. But I am not sure that this should be resubmitted.
If you would like more feedback from Niantic themselves on the nomination, you can appeal it, even if the automated process has rejected it. We have 2 appeals, each on a 15 day counter before we can use them again. I don’t usually recommend using one if I think there is a high probability of it being rejected, but in this case it might be good for you to appeal it to get feedback from a human at Niantic. They will leave a “Niantic Note” with more explanation.
I’m more worried about understanding the criterias because I was sure this one would fit.
I got others but tbh, I’m even scared to submit because there are stories of being banned for too many faulty submissions.
Overall I think the wayfarer program is a great idea executed very poorly with too many uncertainties and too much of a drawback.
I’m all for finding new spots, but if it means going trought rejection without even an explanation, the criteria should at least be better explained.
In order to be accepted, a wayspot has to not fail any of the rejection criteria
- it has to be safely accessible to pedestrians
- it can’t be on school grounds, single-family private residential property, farmland
- it has to exist at the location given
- it has to be a reasonably accurate title and description
It also has to meet one of the key criteria
- Exploration
- Exercise
- Social
Something can pass all the rejection reasons but still not be eligible because it simply isn’t meeting criteria.
You won’t get banned for a genuine submission. People get banned for deliberate abuse and then post nonsense on social media, hiding the fact that they were abusing the system.
Please have a look at these for understanding what makes a good wayspot.
Eligibilty https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/eligibility
Acceptance https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/acceptance
Rejection https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/criteria/rejection
Also Wayspot Criteria — Wayfarer Help Center
Understanding what makes a good wayspot, and then seeing what you can find is, works very well once it makes sense to you. Trying to force an ineligible object through can be frustrating, because you’re fighting against the process.
The onus is still on submitter. If words is the only thing you have and you cant show how its important to the community, the fault lies on submitter. Reviewer cant approve thing just based on word. Like i said, people lie a lot in submission.
Last, there is always grey area in wayfarer. Business and restaurant is among it. Wayfarer work like voting system. Nomination can be approved if enough people approve it. Its still submitter duty to present enough information to convince reviewer
If it got rejected by community , and you strongly believe its eligible, you can appeal and get niantic staff to look into it. You have 2 appeal, each with 15days cooldown
The people who are being banned are not giving you the full story. If you can make a case that the nomination meets criteria, and if you are not committing abuse while submitting it (ai generated or third party photos, misplaced pins, etc.) then you have nothing to worry about.
I have said several times that I do not think this meets the criteria laid out at https://niantic.helpshift.com/hc/en/21-wayfarer/section/166-wayspot-criteria/?l=en&p=web and don’t know any other way to say this. If the shop were famous with a huge following, it might be acceptable as a unique shop. If it conducts classes or holds events, then maybe it would meet social criteria. If the sign is signed art by a local artist, maybe that would be eligible in itself, but it just appears to be a business logo. And the fact that they live in this house they run these businesses from have me questioning the eligibility of the location on SFPRP grounds. Remember that “Generic business” is a rejection reason all by itself, so you really have to prove that something isn’t just a generic business, but something extraordinary.
The takeaway I got from this is to assume people are abusing.
A lot is put on the submitter shoulders but nothing is given to further the understanding of submitters when rejection happens. In my case, it says it doesn’t respect wayfarer criteria.
That’s like if I tell you at a job interview, you’re not hired because you’re not hired. You didn’t met the criteria because you didn’t met the criteria. It’s discouraging and I honestly undesrtand why no players around me want to interact with this system.
If people are abusing it aswell, I can totally see why given the way submissions are treated and nothing is done to help wayfarer improve it. Only when going trought hoops and loops on this forum.
You said “if it got rejected by community” I don’t even know that! Rejection deosn’t include this details, for all I know, the AI picked it up and disregarded it for “reasons”.
I have no appeal left BECAUSE I already used them on submitting this previously. Only then have I gotten a good feedback on improving the submission. Feedback that i should have had BEFORE appealing if we are all being honest.
Sometimes it can be difficult to explain why something doesn’t meet criteria beyond saying “it isn’t somewhere that is great for being social, it isn’t somewhere that is great for exercise and it isn’t somewhere that is great for exploring”.
Somewhere that is great for exploring is something that people would be interested to find and would tell other people about. That’s obviously a judgement call.
I’ve also heard the term of hotspot and local gems. I thought this store was fitting. Guess not.
As for the split private/business, from the other forum topics given earlier this should be eligible.
Give me a definition of generic business. Because to me this should mean like all the ikea’s. Their generic, they are all the same. Yet they would get nominated without fuss. Which kind of contradict the “unique shop” criteria. This is why I’m saying these don’t make sens or are not fully explained.
A unique thing can be understood as “a single copy of” or “something out of the ordinary”. I though this would apply to this because there is no other shop with that name it’s only the one and it’s kind of out of the ordinary because of the combination of both healthy products and services.
If we flip it, generic business doesn’t mean anything either way. All store can be considered generic because they would offer something other store already offers. So again, it’s all in the definition, which is left intentionally vague by the criteria.
I tried to help, but now you appear to be wanting to rules lawyer. I don’t do that.
If you search this forum on “generic business” you can find some great discussions.
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Yeah I get that, but then some are still fitting the criteria while also being discarded by the same criteria. If it is all on the submitter to convince then it’s not really reasonbale as a wayspot nomination system because some may think it’s ok while the wayspot doesn’t fit the criteria just based on “vibes”.
It is definitely up to the submitter to show their submission is eligible. No-one else can be responsible for that.
Thats just how AI rejection work. Noone know how it work except staff because it will be abused. You can reject the system or go along with it. Your call
I had a thought that reading through some of the points made during the Criteria Collection Challenge might be helpful to you if you weren’t Wayfaring back then:Wayfarer Criteria Challenge
I think this part especially applies
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