Invalid Wayspot - The Getty Center (Episode 3)

I did try to remove it at first. Then I asked for it to be removed or at least moved. And finally I just asked for it to be moved - and that’s when I got a warning for trying to REMOVE it.

As for repurposing - I have no idea what it means. Maybe you could tell me how Niantic defines it so that I (and others) can understand what is an edit to make a wayspot more accurate and what is repurposing.

It seems that Niantic has consistently (perception, not measured objectively) defined repurposing as when one tries to rename and/or relocate an existing wayspot that is not/no longer there. For example, a way spot that was once a pub and the location is now a popular Italian restaurant (made up example). You can’t just rename the way spot and add a new photo and description. You have to remove the pub way spot since it no longer exist. Then submit a new nomination for the restaurant.

I think they are saying your attempt to move and rename the way spot was trying to repurpose it. Without getting into whether it really was, that’s what it seemed. In this particular case, I think they meant that you should have nominated the Getty research center as a separate way spot rather than trying to move and rename the existing one.

Just my thoughts on it.

I think you completely misunderstood what was happening here, so let me give you tl;dr version I gave to @elijustrying:

  1. This wayspot had a photo - the only photo - of a poster about an event that ran for a few months in 2014. Let’s forget that this POI was a temporary object. It’s gone now. When I asked for the wayspot to be removed, Niantic said no. So what I did was make edits to have title and description match the photo, and then I tried to move it to where the poster used to be.
  2. Title and description edits went thru, but when I did location edit, Niantic said I did a bad, bad thing, renamed the wayspot back (leaving my new description - it looked very funny with the old title and the new photo, btw), removed the photo of a long-gone poster, and put a photo of a building that still doesn’t match the title. And that building is actually a POI for another wayspot.
  3. When I pointed out this wayspot is now a duplicate, Niantic didn’t want to remove it yet again. Fine, I said, I’ll again make edits to match the photo Niantic put. Title and description went thru, but when I did location edit (over 10m), Niantic again said I did a bad, bad thing (repurposing, whatever it means) in order to remove the wayspot.

So I didn’t want to nominate anything. I didn’t try to add any photos - it was Niantic people who removed one photo and added another. I wonder if this would be considered repurposing, but again - done by Niantic, not by me. I didn’t try to repurpose anything. All I did was try to remove a wayspot for a long gone POI, and when they changed photos to show a completely different POI, I tried tried to move the wayspot to where the building pictured on their new photo is and name it to correspond to the building on their photo after removal request due to being a duplicate was rejected.

Basically Niantic tried to hold on to this wayspot and then blamed me for something I didn’t try to do and didn’t even intend to do.

Repurposing is a term that has been one more frequently used in Wayfarer and there is topic in the General discussion area raising it, as I do think that Wayfinders have questions that need addressing.

In this case I will try to explain.

You said

1……. “When I asked for the wayspot to be removed, Niantic said no. “

When they said no, you should have stopped trying with this wayspot.
I understand the frustration when from your viewpoint a wrong decision has been reached by the Wayfarer Team. However you have to accept that decision. Leave that wayspot alone. It is their database, if they are happy with what is there that is all that matters.

What you did next is what they consider repurposing.

……”So what I did was make edits to have title and description match the photo, and then I tried to move it to where the poster used to be.”

What you did was make a sequence of changes to achieve an end goal.
In doing so everything was changed. The photo, the text, the location. Everything about the wayspot has been altered and done in a deliberate sequence to achieve a specific aim. That is considered wrong.

It doesn’t matter that from your perspective you were trying to put something right.
You are viewed as manipulating the database to get around a decision from the Wayfarer Team. This applies no matter how much you might view that original decision to be wrong.

The end does not justify the means.

I don’t expect that you will agree with this reasoning as I can see and understand that from your perspective it is the Wayfarer Team that are wrong because you hold the fundamental view that the wayspot as it stands is wrong. And that knowing that feels like a blot on the wayfarer database that you want to erase.
Please try to find a way to move on from this, and understand that this sequence of events is not viewed as correct.

Not everything. The photo stayed the same. I never touched any photos - first, there was a photo from some player, and then later Niantic removed it and added their own photo. Title, description and location edits were made to match the POI on the photo. The aim was to try to remove it again or at least move it where the POI used to be as I clearly stated in my appeal. When Niantic - not me, Niantic - put a different photo, I did the same thing - edited title, description and location to match the photo after initial removal request due to being a duplicate failed. So when they said I repurposed the wayspot in order to get it removed, they were wrong - my very last request was to move it, not remove it.

They could have clearly stated that they are happy with how this wayspot for a temporary and long gone POI is and that I should leave it alone. This would have been much easier for everyone. As @eneeoh said:

OK, I am saying this with the upmost respect, and not trying to be confrontational, but honestly, I was able to read everything that you wrote and did not misunderstand it at all. Several people have provided the same information to you. Niantic has responded to you. @Ambassadors It seems perhaps this topic is run its course and maybe it’s time to close the thread.

If you read and understood everything, you wouldn’t have wrote this:

Because I mentioned that there already is a wayspot for Research Institute (although called Research Center, and I explained why), and after Niantic changed photo for the wayspot in question, it became a duplicate of the existing Research Institute wayspot:

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Several people provided info also not fully understanding what happened. For example, this is what @elijustrying wrote:

As I mentioned countless times, I did not change any photos - photos were changed by Niantic.

Oh yes, they did, saying I did something I don’t know what (repurposing) to achieve something I wasn’t trying to achieve (they said I tried to remove a wayspot while I wanted to move it), and gave me a warning for that. So now I am waiting to Niantic to explain what repurposing is and why they gave me a warning. And before you start with “but several people explained repurposing to you” - they gave examples and not definitions, and those examples don’t match my case as I DID NOT CHANGE PHOTOS. There is wayspot with a photo (that Niantic put to replace a photo of a long gone poster) of a building far away from the building itself. I just wanted this wayspot to be where the building is and to have a non-generic title:

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How is this repurposing under your understanding of it and how does it differ from other edits?

Based on the contents of this discussion, I’ll be closing it from further engagement. Thanks,

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