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School of Education Seal
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The College of Saint Rose School of Education. This intricately carved stone seal is the official seal for the college of St Rose School of education and can be found high above one of the education buildings.
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This is a carved stone seal with the inscription for the college of st rose school of education. Publicly accessible, artistic carving for a college specializing in education. Thank you for reviewing.
I would really like someone from Niantic to explain to me why a stone carving of a college seal on a public college building, facing the sidewalk is a “generic business” or a “k-12 school” or has “unsafe access.”
Initially the rejection was for being a k-12 school and having unsafe access. The appeal was rejected for being a generic business.
It is a stone carving, so that’s art, not a generic business.
It was added to the building when it was built, more than 100 years ago so it is historic, not generic.
It is a college of education, so it is a safe public space.
It is not on any other buildings because none of the other buildings are the school of education. It is the seal for the school of education and is carved in stone so it unique. I don’t even understand what the appeal rejection could mean with “it’s a typical logo or emblem of the institution.” It’s the only one carved out of stone. It’s the only one visible on the outside of the college. It is only on the school of education, not other buildings or parts of campus. Don’t all campus signs use typical logos? That’s how we know they are part of the campus. The idea that a stone carved emblem, that there is only one of, is only on one building and is specific to the specialty section of the school is generic anything, let alone a generic business is absurd.
Stone carved seals are accepted all over and couldn’t be farther from a generic sign let alone a generic business or k-12 school or unsafe.
My recommendation would be, if the appeal decision cant be reversed, then I’d try to get a more straight on image showing the detail of the stone carving, and maybe try a different name ie College of St Rose Carved Stone Seal or similar?
I would honestly forgo the word “School” at least in the title because the ML doesn’t often allow it and reviewers see that word and think school for small children rather than adult education.
I do think its cool. I also think the entire building is eligible due to education being part of explore so you can try that too
I appreciate the word choice reminder about schools and how both ML and reviewers can be quick to assume children when you say school. Worth considering on a resubmission if nothing comes from posting, which is mostly about frustration rather than expecting a real result.
I’ve generally had bad luck with anything containing “school” despite of course not nominating any actual children’s schools including an edit rejection that was mentioning a scheme where local school children planted trees in the 1990s so I try not to use that word unless absolutely necessary, maybe I’m overly cautious but its due to past disappointment
I have also had problems with the ML rejecting stone carvings for Wayfarer criteria and the appeal being rejected as a generic object, meanwhile every one that’s gone to community voting has been accepted. In my experience, this is an area where the ML is lacking a bit, and I’m not sure what’s going on with the appeals. I am not sure I can offer much in terms of advice except maybe just try again and hope the community gets eyes on it. It looks like an interesting exploration spot to me!
Not yet no. It is still in operation even tho the eventual shutdown has been announced. If the school is closed also doesn’t seem relevant.
The state is involved so any changes will come at a snails pace and the buildings, statues and wall carvings will likely remain in whatever the campus becomes going forward.
Maybe I’m being obtuse but even if the school were closed would the logical next step be the century old building and stone carving would be knocked down tomorrow and become a generic business? Or is this a hint to call it the St Rose Education Memorial Seal?
Everything I found online says the closed June. Its very relevant, as it is a factor in people deciding whether it meets criteria or not and whether they think its permanent or not.
I appreciate the feedback of an ambassador. Thank you for taking the time to engage.
Your implication is that because the school is closed (it is closing but still has 40+ people on staff till the end of the year and an indefinite contract to provide security) that the poi at the campus are less permanent or valid? Especially the historic buildings and art carved into the stone of those buildings? And this somehow warrants Niantic reviewing the appeal as a generic business?
Agree with Roli on the permanence. If the school is closing, I would expect the seal to be removed as a reviewer. If this is a permanent fixture of the building, and the building is historic and will remain, you will really need to prove that.
Niantic staff has confirmed that “Generic business” is not exactly what the appeals team is trying to say when it shows up as a rejection reason. If I can find an example of that, I will edit in the link.
I appreciate the continued engagement and want to proactively apologies for any tonal rudeness. My umbrage is with Niantic not you or the information and perspectives shared.
The reference to a school and the potential debate on permanence are both informative for future nominations. I don’t feel a need to be defensive about the future of the campus, the buildings and the art around campus or argue as to its permanence outside of a specific nomination/appeal. I’m glad to provide more articulate language in the supporting information and on appeals if the permanence is in question.
My more core question, and impetus to post at all is the appeal language. Learning that Nia uses incorrect or inaccurate reasons (from the poster above) helps my understanding but the language about what is “typical” is the part I was most confused by.
Thank you again for the perspective.
including an edit rejection that was mentioning a scheme where local school children planted trees in the 1990s 