I messed this one up, because I thought I could add extra photos post submission whilst it still had the edit option available. I would have added the two photos below, which help to show the depth and more of the frame of the structure.
I also think I needed a photo with an ‘everyday’ object in it (a coke can springs to mind) otherwise it is difficult to appreciate the scale without any context.
Otherwise, I am wondering whether this is one of these 50:50 cases where I just have to keep tweaking it and resubmitting and eventually a nomination will stick? Or do I wait for a few months before resubmitting to help strenghthen the case that it’s a permanent addition to that communal area, given that both the council and the local residents are committed to improving biodiversity. It’s also a substantial structure (I don’t think I would be able to move it).
Council objective is not useful to be used as supporting evidence (i dont think reviewer are questioning the benefit of bug hotel)
Permanent is questionable. Bug hotel are not supposed to be in the ground afaik because it will be prone to mold and decay or other predator. People might think its home made object made to create wayspot
Since there are no street view, it make people wonder if this is really comnunity project or something created to make wayspot. I believe you need to make better documentation about it. If its recent project, document it. Even if it doesnt get accepted now, you might be able to resubmit few years later when you have more foto and proof that it exist for few years.
Homemade object is ineligible . If this is not right, you need to proof it.
I had never heard of a Bug Hotel until I saw this. Learn something new every day!
Being on the ground makes it hard for me to wrap my head around it. It would feel more permanent if there were some educational signage with it, so it’d feel like it wasn’t just dropped there.
The location and style of a bug hotel depends on what bugs you are hoping for.
Most that I have seen are on the ground so that ground based bugs can use them with nooks and crannies for flying bugs - usually solitary bees.
In many ways an organic one like mine or the one you have are more eco friendly as you use local materials. And as in my case a large part of the education was in construction and up keep.
I think yours is a bit small, great for the smaller ground insects. The lack of some bricks with holes or drilled small logs means it ends up looking like a bundle of twigs without a clear structure - more like a log pile ( which is great for bugs).
So that perception is where the problem lies.
The side picture is better.
These can be fantastic noms and I completely agree with @elijustrying that in many contexts the best performing and most useful insect hotel is a pile of dead wood on the ground. But that is of course very hard to submit.
Evidence from the council would be really good here but if these are rather general environmental objectives which you feel the installation of the hotel aligns with then I would not take all this space for these links that are only tangentially relevant. Instead I would look for anything that shows the hotel itself.
I would strongly suggest not doing coke cans or any other extraneous objects.
True, but I was able to see the following basic information, which does show that there is a community that has had a FB group for at least 9 months (and may have been in existence before that). It also indicates that they are looking to improve biodiversity in their communal green space, so it helps to explain how the bug hotel is likely to have come about.
From recollection the structure is slightly raised off the ground on brick supports, which might help somewhat with the mould and decay issue, but as others have commented there appear to be a variety of bug hotel designs.
The rejection reason related to perceived lack of permanence / distinctiveness, is understandable and I tend to encounter that issue the most with my nominations, often on more evidently permanent structures than this. On the balance of probabilities, I find it more likely that this bug hotel has been created for ecological purposes than the off-chance it would find some utility in the virtual world.
It may well need more time to bed in. Are you able to be more specific about what “make better documentation” and “document it” might entail?
Permanence and Distinctiveness and very separate concepts. Unfortunately, Niantic have merged them into a single rejection. Also, unhelpfully when you get this rejection, this is the recommended rejection when you want to explicitly reject something but have no other legitimate cause (accessibility, location etc). Thumbing down for Exercise, Social and Exploration does not equal a rejection.
Therefore, “not permanent and distinct” means one of the following:
reviewers didn’t think it is permanent
reviewers didn’t think it is a distinct object in its surrounding
It is possible that the bug hotel is a work in progress with more ‘useful’ items being gradually added to it. The first time I noticed it there was no more than a frame and the last time it had the ‘sign’ and there were kids stuffing in bits of deadwood.
I knew that this reason could mean one of two entirely separate rejection issues (or both), but I didn’t know about the third one! It’s not as if these unhelpful amalgamations haven’t been raised on here and I believe there have been revisions to rejection reasons where this could have been addressed? Nominators really need to be given the tools to understand precisely what the reviewer’s concerns are in order to be able to address them.
The council’s approach generally doesn’t go much further than ‘do less to create more’, although I have heard it is going to be possible for residents to apply for tree planting in May. I don’t think they get proactively involved in specific projects. So in most cases this just means they don’t mow areas as often as in the past. However, they still butchered lots of wildflowers on amenity spaces around here in the middle of last summer just at the point the flowers were really starting to take hold and before they could seed. One of their contractors even mowed over one of their designated ‘Let It Bee’ Meadow Areas in mid season!
I have nomination that got rejected because its new and not visible from street view. When i submit it later on i show them foto from few years ago as proof that its been there for few years already. How you document it is up to you. You can upload video/photo about it now. And if its rejected, you can resubmit it several months or few years later to show that its still there.
Frankly i dont think this give much credibility. I am more concerned with how the bug hotel appear few years later. With how it is now, i kinda doubt it will last long with mold and decay.
