Since I made my thread about the Lake Elsinore Levee Disc Golf Holes I submitted getting removed, specifically the second hole, every single accepted Wayspot, including the #1 Hole at the start of the Course, which people said could be considered eligible as an “Anchor” has been removed.
The original thread:
I have also been threatened with a 30 day ban for being abusive for making that thread.
Would love to hear why the first hole on the course didn’t qualify as an “anchor” as you all said in the previous thread.
In this case picking an anchor is a bit challenging in my opinion. I’d prefer a sign for the course or a map . I could also nominates the practice tee. But I think it can be confusing to have one on the regular course as a wayspot as that can be confusing to folks who are nominating/reviewing. Again I’m looking for an anchor that keeps people off the course while still representing it
Also there was no issue with you creating the previous thread as it is a question that does come up. I believe the warning was more about the tone that the thread took. It ended up fairly adversarial.
Probably just removing them all. The way I work it is
Map/sign for the course is the anchor
If there isnt one
Hole 1 is the anchor, but the tee, not the hole to be clear
Then, if theres soemthing cool or unique about the hole (for example, in one near me, the hole is on a fallen tree and is the one they were using in the pictures for the course) then it might get in … ironically my example was rejected.
So in your case the first one might have been removed cause it was called hole one rather than representing the whole course
The tone I took was a perfect mirror of the response I got. And in the end, I was not even able to talk to an actual Niantic Wayfarer Team Member, instead they locked my thread and sent me a message threatening to ban me for my comments.
If you can’t understand how that is frustrating and the sort of thing that can cause someone’s tone to rise, I don’t know what to say. It took time to get to the Levee, it took gas to drive to the Levee, it took time to submit the POIs, and it took energy to walk up and down on multiple days, across multiple weeks, all for my submissions to be voted on, accepted, and then removed. I was angry then, I was frustrated then, and not much has changed.
Oh I totally get being surprised by the removals after all that work (time and effort). But folks here are very good at identifying whatever issues(s) a fellow wayfarer may have. We responded factually to what issue you had. Writing can come off bluntly sometimes but I did not have the feeling that others here were attacking you. I’m sorry if you felt that way.
My comments were hidden and edited because you or someone else in the thread reported them because you didn’t like them.
I don’t understand how you can post comments like yours, condescending, talking down, tone policing, and not expect the other person to get more angry.
You’re being passive aggressive and clearly poking at me, while telling me to just, “calm down.” You know what you’re doing.
For what it’s worth, last time I checked there was still one wayspot that hadn’t been deleted, which appeared to be a random obstacle on one of the holes that had been submitted as its own wayspot. I’m not sure why that had been left alone (or if it’s since been removed), as it’s not exactly the best anchor for the course, but it is what it is.
Everything has been removed. All that’s left are the Mile Markers and Fitness Stations, funnily enough Fitness Stations which no longer exist, which I have reported myself as not physically existing are still there.
This is something thay frustrates me even more, I have reported things which truly do not exist, they stay there and my requests are denied, I submit things which actually exist, and they are removed.
Yeah, I’ve just checked and seen the last wayspot was removed. It is unfortunate that they didn’t leave the first tee intact. The first tee could have been used to represent the course as a whole, as per the guidelines, but I’m guessing that the title and description for the original submission might not have served that purpose well.
I would be hesitant to suggest resubmitting it as an anchor for the course as a whole, given everything that’s happened, but that technically would still abide by the guidelines.
It’s unlikely I’m going to submit anything ever again. I used to find this process fun, it was fun to take photos, submit real things, and show other people things they could interact with in game. Since I’ve posted on this forum it’s all taken on a completely different color of hostility, it doesn’t feel fun anymore.
And it’s really obvious that a bunch of you saw the thread, and then went to go report everything at the Levee because you thought it’d be funny, while leaving stuff which actually doesn’t exist there, because you’ve never stepped foot there once in your life.
The Baseball Player Bush Sculpture in front of Storm Stadium hasn’t existed for years now, it has been reported by myself and other players who actually live in Lake Elsinore dozens of times, and yet it remains, every time we report it, our reports are rejected. How am I supposed to feel about that?
The amount of reports something gets is irrelevant to whether it gets removed or not. As we said on the original thread, the person who reported that specific wayspot that you were posting about likely reported the others for the same reason, and those reports were acted on in accordance with the guidelines.
I personally didn’t see anything else in that area that looked like it went against the guidelines. Just the individual disc golf holes, which we’ve already spoken about. People don’t typically report stuff for funsies though, for what it’s worth. Abusing the report function can lead to action being taken against you, so it’s not really something anyone should be using without a valid reason.
If a wayspot doesn’t exist and your report of it is rejected, you can post in the appeals section like you did with your other thread. You can present additional evidence to show that the wayspot doesn’t exist, and the wayfarer team will have another look and overturn the original decision if the evidence checks out.
Why would someone who actually lives in Lake Elsinore, and has walked along the Levee, and can see the Disc Golf Holes in real life, report for them to be removed? I posted a photo in the previous thread showing a bench right next to one of the Tee-Off spots. No one who has actually been there would think that they pose a risk.
Every argument I have seen for why Disc Golf Holes are not eligible is that they interfere with the playing of Disc Golf, or could lead to Pokémon Go players being hit in the head with frisbees. No one who has walked on the Levee would ever think that either of those two scenarios could take place.
I wanted to have an actual conversation with someone who makes these rules which clearly don’t make sense, instead I get my posts hidden, my thread locked, and my account threatened with a ban.
Again I know it’s disappointing for you that these were removed. These may be perfectly safe for both communities to use simultaneously. But this is one of very few hard and fast rules that Niantic has shared with the community.
There are folks all over that do enjoy an accurate map. So they were able to rightfully report these.
Editing to add - I don’t think this rule should be amended as that makes it much more complicated for both nominators and reviewers.
I get that, but you guys are arguing in favor of the letter of the law. I am arguing in favor of the spirit of the law. Because these rules were implemented for real reasons, right? And if those reasons don’t apply to this case, then why should the rule itself?
If the Disc Golf Holes were allowed as POIs in game, The Levee, a nature and hiking trail, would become the best place for playing Go in Lake Elsinore. Currently the best place to play in Lake Elsinore is on Main Street, which is a busy area with lots of crowds in the afternoon, and streets which intersect, nearly all the players stay in their cars and form a caravan, I have seen dozens of near misses, almost hit and runs, due to players trying to get to the next raid as fast as possible in their cars. All because the best place to play, is in a busy downtown area of Lake Elsinore, the Levee could have changed that. You would have had people actually walking around, not sitting in their cars, because that wouldn’t be an option, getting fresh air. In my mind, that’s in accordance with the spirit of these rules.
