I am reviewing some POIs that are graffiti and to be honest most of the times I just don’t know if they meet the “Permanent and Distinct” criteria because even if they may be good art, they are in places that are not commercial or destinated to art.
Here where I live there are actually lots of Pokéstops that are unauthorized graffiti and many of them just don’t exist anymore. I know there is a category tag for “graffiti” but how actualy permanent are most of them?
Check out the official stance…
https://community.wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/t/unique-art/12459/2
Categories are not based on criteria, they are merely for internal categorizing.
You can reverse image search the picture and see if someone fameous did the graffiti or if it’s part of an art fest or is it’s a sanctioned wall, all these are likely to stay for some time. If not - just eyeball it and use your best judgement, i don’t see what else you can do. If you don’t want bunch of ghost POIs, then err on the side of caution and vote conservatively. I personally rather go the other way - if it’s quality drawing, clearly many hours/days of work, or it’s in a place where it constantly gets painted over with other cool art, then i’ll vote yay, sanctioned or not.
As for Pokestops of art no longer there, reporting for removal is an option.
There have been a few discussions recently around the topic of art.
The clarification linked to above is an attempt to give examples and key points to consider.
This aspect of Wayfarer is in my view very subjective and there are different cultural attitudes that are also part of that subjectivity. So there are going to be examples where opinions do vary.
The term graffiti is one I try to avoid as it seems to have a different meaning in different cultures.
If you see wayspots that you consider are the work of vandalism then you can report them for removal.
If you are unsure when you are reviewing you can skip.
Simple. They are permanent until proven otherwise. Just like virtually everything else.
This is absolutely not how the criteria clarification urges us to think about street art.
I will stop following that creed once someone clarifies the exact amount of time it takes for something to be considered “permanent”.
“It’s there until it’s not” goes for everything. Graffiti murals are there until they aren’t. Playgrounds are there until they aren’t. Sports fields are there until they aren’t. Theme park attractions are there until they aren’t. Memorial plaques are there until they aren’t. Statues are there until they aren’t.
Time is not the only factor taht determines permanency. Simply because a property owner doesnt have funds/capabilty/time to keep painting over graffiti over and over does not make vandalism permanent and eligible.
And not all graffiti is vandalism.
Yes, but I am reviewing so many things like these ones and some of them are actual POIs that I started questioning if there is any kind of more objective rule to follow about street art submission.
You will note that at least one of those you show has been removed multiple times and hotly debated in this same forum:
If this is a screenshot of a duplicate check, it’s counter-intuitive but approved wayspots are really not examples of what is eligible and as the thread above will tell you, if they appear to be for nonpermanent objects, they risk being removed so they are not a very safe bet. The latest clarification we have on the subject has been shared to you above. It unfortunately cannot realistically cover worldwide artistic practices and laws, but it’s a start and reading this can get you started for using your best judgement locally.
In my observations, all three types of objects you show are of the kind that is likely to get removed by Niantic when reported.
