Individual bus stops and their shelters are not eligible nominations. However, if there is a map of the city on the wall of a bus stop shelter, could this map still be made into a PokéStop, or would it still be interpreted as an individual generic bus stop that just happens to have a map on it? Maps as such are usually excellent objects to turn into PokéStops, but the question is what to do when the map is located at a bus stop, which is not eligible in itself.
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I have several maps of these accepted. I think you are talking about the Netherlands as well?
They meet criteria for being great to ecplore.
I have them all accepted on appeal never by community review.
First one of mine accepted:
Second one:
And the last one that was accepted 2 weeks ago:
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Generally, other objects within a generic location would not be ineligible through that.
Now without a concrete example, some bus stops have only bus routes and the schedule on the map, which would not contribute towards the explore, excercise or socialising criteria.
Others have for example hiking trails on them as well, or showcase local sights. I’d say there can only be made the case for the latter examples
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I agree with most of that. I have edited in my examples, what do you think of those?
I had more extreme examples in mind when I thought about this, I’d say it’s alright but on the verge of being a GREAT spot for the criteria
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I guess they are on the verge.
I understand why you would think this, but I am defenitely happy they get accepted on appeal. Gives us more wayspots in the area.
I am from Estonia, not Netherlands, and I was talking about maps at bus stops like this (I attached photo), but now I understand, that maps like this rather are not eligible. Or is there point in still trying to nominate them? These maps have bus routes and some sightseeing points on them.
These maps are unfortunately on every busstop. I would not nominate these as they are indistinct.
A fellow wayfinder I know actually requested one these similiar maps in the Netherlands. It was rejected by the community.
He did a appeal for it, and it was also rejected for beinh indistinct as the appeal reviewer said that these kind of maps are at every busstop like I said.
I think that these maps are eligible, as they help to explore the neighbourhood. So yes, I would try again, but make sure you make some effort in telling why you think they qualify.
These maps definitely help explore. I would approve these.
I tend to approve map infrastructure, especially when it helps detail local areas to visit. “Urban exploration” is one of the ways I like to explain.
And they’re far nicer than the generic apartment maps that the appeals team has locally approved.
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I’ve gotten plenty of these maps at bus stops approved in the past.
Then im curious if they were accepted by the community or on appeal and how the map looks like.
If they have sight seeing points on them then they encourage exploration.
Yeah, this looks like reviewers. Not appeal.
Appeal reviewers deny them for not being unique, so I still say these are ineligible.
I think you’ve seen some recent, and older, examples of appeals staff getting it wrong.
On the old forum, we had a few quotes of staff explicitly saying that appeals outcomes are NOT meant to be considered criteria, guidelines, or otherwise interpreted as eligibility. It’s unfortunate that we can’t trust their decisions to be consistent (human factors, context, local consideration, etc, and I do understand why it happens) and more unfortunate that it’s difficult to make that more clear.
Each candidate should be reviewed to eligibility and, in my opinion, free of assumptions from how your own outcomes have been handled.
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Yeah, I have seen lots of examples.
Kind of want to submit these maps, but if I am relying on community review I don’t have much hope.
The thing is, from what I have seen the appeal reviewer was correct. But what comes first then? Rejection criteria or acceptance criteria.
It’s eligible because of exploration criteria but also indistinct for having lots of them. Just like trailmarkers, I guess, but still don’t really know with these maps. Markers have clarification, these maps don’t.
These are maps, right? Does it include “you are here” on it? Then they’re unique!
A different take is, can you buy these maps at your local hardware store? How many might you find around town? Are they on every street corner?
The thing with submissions and community reviews is things will get false rejected (and false approved) from time to time. I also do believe that a large majority of reviewers (community and of course staff) are participating in good faith and think they’re applying criteria correctly. Sometimes a different photo, different text, or even just a different date when you get different reviewers, can make the difference in outcome. Obviously, that doesn’t mean you should spam nominations and certainly don’t throw caution to the wind with submitting things you think are ineligible (and genuinely, if you don’t feel these are eligible, then don’t submit them!), but there is wiggle room to try a few times and see what can work. Maybe they won’t stick and you will have to move on, but maybe you’ll be able to figure out a way to make it.
Not everything needs a clarification. If you find these similar to trail markers, apply the same logic.
I do genuinely hope you’ll consider, and maybe share some of your examples here (in your own thread) if you haven’t already and you’d like to get a wider perspective. Just remember that even if we all agree it’s eligible, it’s still up to the odds of Wayfarer.
I’ve had luck with one at a bus stop in my town’s downtown area, and one of the things I emphasized in my supporting was that it was a guide to other waypoints. Local theater, library, church and several parks are all on the map, making it a nice guide for wayfarers trying to find other major points of interest–thus a really good place to explore.
It took two tries for me, but the first one was a photo taken in the early morning, where a lamppost’s shadow made it impossible to get a truly good view. The second one, I got a photo on a cloudy day, which was clearer.
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