Hello all,
I was hoping to get some insight about why this nomination was rejected. The photos I took are from where I believe the pokestop should be as it would be accessible by those that were inside the building as well as families on nightly walks, kids coming back and forth from schools, and people inside the retirement center itself. It looks like my nomination was rejected by AI. I would like to appeal this decision but I want to know what changes may be necessary first.
Retirement Centres are not great places to Explore / Socialise / Discover for the wider community. Whilst some players may play, I donât think they would appreciate a group of anything up to 100 players meeting up to doing raids in Pokemon Go, Doing Faction stuff in Ingress or Pikmin Bloom stuff. I would likely reject it if I saw it. Also, the photo isnât great as it is far away from the building so thereâs no point of interest that I could focus on.
This is a good place to socialize. In my town of 1200 people this is the only building that actually hosts community events for families. Maybe in a city they wouldnât be great but in a rural setting like mine it is. The photos I could change to ones that were closer to the building but I thought I should take them from where the pokestop would be.
The nomination is labelled as a Retirement Centre. That would give me the impression that the primary purpose is for those who are residing within the building. Whilst itâs not a SFPRP, I wouldnât be able to justify accepting it, even if other events are being hosted there. If you believe there is scope for this to be approved, there needs to be a strong and compelling argument needed to say why it needs to be approved.
I would and have voted to accept retirement/senior centers. They are fantastic places to socialize. Right now you may not find many people playing Niantic games at senior/retirement centers, but we are not that far from âgamersâ retiring. I am starting to calculate the days until I can retire (though it wonât be for many years). I promise you that I wonât suddenly stop being interested in games after I retire.
There will be differing in opinions, but Iâm not convinced. I am not saying those who retire and reside in these types of properties donât play, but I am not convinced this would meet the criteriaâŚ
I would vote positively for items in and around the retirement home that are eligible. It would be difficult to just vote on the retirement home as in my mind it is equivalent to an apartment building or condos. But I agree that being at a retirement home should not be a rejection.
Thank you for the input. I put in an appeal for this pokestop and hope that it gets accepted. This would help tons of families and incentivize children to stay within the safety of their neighborhoods instead of needing to visit the town square or cross the busy highway that splits the town in half. I think thereâs a massive disconnect between players in cities and those in rural areas. I hope more people involved in the wayfarer decisions can start to understand what itâs like trying to enjoy games like this in small towns where your access is so limited and people who donât understand the way of life here and how communities interact across generations go out and experience a bit of it for themselves.
I guess I could be convinced on items within the building being accepted if they met the eligible criteria.
I also donât understand the difference between this and when I go into cities and see hospitals with pokestops, or post offices, or restaurants, or random businesses, or a random plaque that nobody has ever looked at. This is at least a cornerstone of my community that people come to every single day, a building that actually brings people together.
Yeah, I agree with that. I would need to fully understand the nomination. We donât call things âretirement centersâ here. If this is a place where people live, I would want to nominate some thing at the location, like a gazebo or the library or a communal garden or exercise stations on a walking path around the outside. But if itâs a place where retired people just go for the day (which sounds more like a âcenterâ to me), the building itself does qualify, IMO. The building is the place they go to socialize just like an event center.
Hereâs the blurb from a nearby county:
âFulton Countyâs four multipurpose facilities allow seniors ages 55 and older to participate in life enrichment classes, nutrition, education, fitness, leisure and other activities. The facilities have cafeterias, gyms, therapeutic pools, computer training centers and art classrooms. There is no cost for Fulton County residents, but non-residents pay a $100 annual fee. All senior multipurpose facilities rely heavily on volunteer support.â
A senior center where someone does not live, 100% is eligible IMO.
It is an unfortunate truth that some areas lend themselves much better to the criteria. I do hope that you are able to get more wayspots in your community that would support all Niantic games. But youâll still need to focus on the criteria of being a great place to explore, a great place to socialize, and/or a great place to exercise.
With the retirement home, I think it is in a grey area. You would have been more solid to nominate items on the property. But you and all the players still need to be respectful of trespassing laws.
I guess Iâm just trying to say, over time you will hone your skills at spotting and nominating some fun wayspots. But it can be a challenge. Best of luck 
Oh good point! I was thinking it was a retirement home. But it may be more like a community center for seniors! In that case it would be eligible itself.
Yep, I edited my comment. The age requirement for a senior center in that county puts me just 3 years away from being able to use them. Nothing says that I have to be retired. I can just take advantage of the low cost/free classes by virtue of my ancientness.
Having said that, I looked up this place. Itâs an IRF (Inpatient Rehab Facility) that looks like it also provides Memory Care. So just on its own, it doesnât qualify. And from satellite, it doesnât look like thereâs anything on the grounds that is eligible either.
I think you nailed the issue on the head about calling it a Retirement Center / Centre. If itâs a Community Center / Centre which may be a Day Center / Centre and is accessible to others, I would be persuaded to vote favouribly.
Hiya!
I am sorry to say but the pictures are really quite bad. I can hardly see what youâre taking a picture of. It looks like you had a rejection from âour teamâ. That means the machine learning probably couldnât find anything eligible within the image, so it rejected it. Your nomination never got in front of a person.
Generally, take a good, clear picture of the building/item, or sign, and then use a wider angle for the support picture.
With this particular nomination I would echo what @seaprincesshnb said, that if this were a kind of community centre for people above a certain age then its absolutely a great place to socialise and should be accepted, but if its a retirement home or medical place then Iâd go the route of finding eligible items located there and submitting those rather than the site itself. Neither being a non emergency medical facility or a retirement home make the location ineligible to have waypoints, just, they arent great places to socialise, exercise, or explore in their own right. They often do have those kind of things on site though.
Good luck!
Just one other note that I havenât seen mentioned. The pin for the Wayspot should be placed on the object being nominated. In this case it should be on the building (usually the main entrance or similar), not on a random point on the nearby sidewalk.
Let us know how this appeal goes. I donât see that anyone has mentioned that âWayfarer criteriaâ and âour teamâ indicate that this was rejected by the ML (machine learning ai) model. We can discuss how to take photos that are less likely to confuse ML. But I think most of us are confused as to whether this is a residence for older folks or a place for community to come together as you have presented it.
The supporting statement should explain why your nomination meets criteria as a great place for exercise, exploration, or being social, and offer links or other evidence to help prove it is what and where you say it is if needed. Mentioning why it would be good for Pokemon Go specifically does not help the case. Your supporting photo should include the point of interest, but from further back.
The pin must be where the point of interest submitted is. If there is a sign away from the building, the pin can be on the sign, and the photo should be of the sign.
But I must say that this does not appear to be the kind of community gathering spot that I would accept:
You can call them âvetsâ, âseniorsâ or âretireesâ, but theyâre people, and social gathering places for the community or a sub-set can be excellent nominations.
Itâs wise to look out for at-risk folks or things that could stigmatize them, but super-annuity is not a disease and there is no shame in retirement.
Please donât twist what I said and make out that I attacking a group of people. That is way out of order.
