its clearly a trail sign and the map shows it leads to open parkland but it is been reject for been inaccessible or unsafe or inaccurately described when in my opioion its clearly a trail sign that leads to a nature reserve walk
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Hi,
I am probably not the best to give you answers as I am not a fan of the markers, I would not Reject them but often just skip.
From other posts I have noticed that pointers on the road side do find it harder.
There is also an argument of whether these are Official Trail Markers or basic road signs.
From the Map in your submission that shows the “path” you do seem to be about 18m off.
Was it rejected by the reviewers or the Machine Learning software (would state Our Team and Fail about 24 hours after nomination).
Hopefully someone who knows more about them will advise but correct the location and appeal and I think you have a good chance.
I get what you are saying with it been road aide. But it is on pavement so os safe
The marker is where the point is pointing towards the path so it’s in the right place on the map
I can’t get the reasons up now as I have appealed but so I’m gonna assume it’s review not AI
They were
They found it not safe or inaccessable
And said there was incorrect grammar or inaccurate description
Which to both of them points I totally disagree
It’s a public open space. Every trail has to start somewhere and the description is what it is I don’t know how else you would describe it
It’s just really annoying you try and make more stops in parks and nature preserves etc that dont have many stops they get rejected all the time. But it’s ok to have the 300th stop in the middle of city for the same old thing
I did state that I was not the best to discuss these. I found a lot of problems with “Trail Markers” so if I am not going to Review them it would be wrong for me to nominate. I would never Reject as I know that correctly nominated “Trail Markers” meet criteria so I would normally Skip.
I was not mentioning it under “Safe”. I have just seem many comments on the Forum that many people have found signs like this one that are on the roadside more difficult than those that are so far down the Trail.
Some Reviewers may have decided that it should be Rejected but can’t find an exact reason why so they select any of the Rejects. I would personally ignore the reason stated and concentrate that Reviewer"s" have rejected it.
On the Map the “path” bends towards the roundabout, it does seem that you have pinned a bit further away. It’s not enough to effect Cells but I only mentioned it so it’s not another reason Reviewers could use to reject.
The “not fair” and “Rural vs City” argument has been played out on these forums many times. My final answer on this is that Pokemon Go uses Real World objects as waypoints. You have to play with what you have.
There are many people on the forum that regularly deal with Trail Markers so hopefully 1 will jump on and give better advice than I can.
Good luck.
So there seems to be a bit of a mismatch between your title and your picture. Your title suggests this is called Atkins Warren Nature Trail, but your picture is a marker for National Cycle Network Route 169. Cycle route markers can be eligible, but you seem to be trying to focus on the nature trail rather than the cycling route.
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I remember seeing this one and I voted to reject it.
It is absolutely not a sign pointing to a nature trail and there is no indication at all from that photo that it is leading to a nature reserve. But it is a biking trail marker for NCN Route 169 which may well be eligible.
Either you need to take a better photo that aligns with the text description, or you need to describe it as a biking trail.
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I agree with HankWolfmans comments that the mismatch is the issue.
Absolutely nothing wrong with the NCN route marker, it’s a trail marker, and it’s at a change of direction.
Route 169 is described as
Route 169 of the National Cycle Network, known locally as the Scunthorpe Ridgeway, travels north to south through Scunthorpe and passes through green, open spaces with beautiful views of the Trent Valley.
Turn the text at that site into your own words to create a good description of the route.
This section passes through Atkinsons Warren not Atkins
I can see a small sticker is that for the trail at the Warren?
Personally I would just stick with The NCN route as these are instantly recognisable.
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fair point one that one maybe ill resubmit with a different description?
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Fair Point about the biking trail, i guess you have to extremely specific to what the actual sign is not the area right, the biking trail is though a nature reserve but i assume i need to focus on it bee a bike trial not a narture preserve
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The obvious thing is that it’s a biking trail, I do notice from the photo that there appear to be a couple of sticky label trail markers that I hadn’t noticed before… if they are for a named walking trail then you could focus on those instead.
Use the nature reserve as a part of the description perhaps, something like NCN Route 169, east of Atkins Warren (use your own wording though). In the supporting text link to something proving that route 169 exists, somebody recently pointed out this website which is excellent - Waymarked Trails - Cycling - zoom in a bit on the correct location.
I do think this would make a good wayspot and potentially there are some others in the same area. Just try to make sure that the submission is consistent.
Although sustrans started out creating national cycle network routes, these are not biking trails, as in biking only.
They changed name to Walk, Wheel, Cycle trust to emphasise that these are not just biking trails.NCN is a well established sign of an eligible trail. The location of some signs would not be deemed safe in wayfarer terms - I haven’t submitted some that are on narrow Cornish roads, where you walk but standing at a spot looking at a phone would not be safe.
I have used the web submit 5 supporting image option to include a screenshot of the zoomed in area to help the reviewer of a route. There is a trail at the warren and that is separate from the NCN
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As others have said, reviewers didn’t like that this was a national Cycle Network sign being misrepresented as something else. These are eligible in their own right. No need to make them out to be something else. I have submitted a lot of Route 5 markers for different sections of the trail around my area, since it’s a wonderful route for helping people exercise and explore either on foot or by bike.
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