A Stobie Pole is a power line poke is a made of two steel I-beams, joined by tie-bolts, and held apart by a slab of concrete. They are used mainly in Adelaide and around South Australia (and mainly absent in the rest of Australia). Since the 1980s, many Stobie poles have been decorated with artworks or surrounded with plants to beautify them. For further information, please refer to the following link - Stobie poles are a South Australian icon, but how did they come about? - ABC News
I am currently reviewing a nomination for artwork on a Stobie Pole that is installed on the nature strip of a private residential property. The majority of the approved wayspots in the surrounding area are all artworks that are on stobie poles that are similarly located on the private residential property.
In Australia, a nature strip is an area of public land between the residential property boundary and the kerb, excluding any public pavement.
I would like to get some guidance on how this nomination should be assessed given the residential property location AND the precedent that has been set by the approval of similar surrounding wayspots. Should it be declined on the basis of being located on private residential property?
As a comparison, nominations of Little Free Libraries that are installed on residential nature strips are regularly not accepted.
I think and take this with a pinch of salt over the shoulder that I would accept this based on the Monument â Art category as each post will have a different artwork on it.
Seeing as it potentially has 100 years of history (the stobie pole not the artwork) and is also âuniqueâ to Australia unless itâs not a mass produced objects that is seen everywhere then at least from an Ingress point of view it would make a Good Portal.
But by all means my opinion is only one letâs wait and see what others think as this is an interesting topic youâve brought up.
Over here in the UK a boundary of a property is mainly designated by the fences on a property for example and which sides the fence posts are on.
So outside of the fence line on a public footpath even a small patch of land maybe local council owned instead of owned by the SFPRP rule.
Itâs a tricky one but if these stobie poles are also council owned and the artwork is approved by them then itâs both public & private but not owned by a SFPRP unless itâs on there deeds and a pokemon player isnât going to knock the door of the PRP to say âcan I have a look at your house deeds please to see if we can play hereâ
Right, but sometimes you have to look beyond the legality of the issue and at the âneighborlyâ aspect. If some global company set up an interaction point in front of my house that i thought was a quiet, nice street when i moved in. And that interaction point is drawing groups of people to stand in front of my house and yell âshiny!â or âhundo!â from potentially 7 am until 9 pm, i would not be happy. Are the negative feelings towards the conpany and the local gaming community worth one more lousy gym or stop?
I personally donât think so. I live in a neighborhood where they will call the police on me for sitting in my car parked on my own street. That kind of harrassment is not worth bringing down on our own gaming community.
This is where dedicated wayfarers and property owners come in to maintain order and report complaints if they are close to the area to investigate.
Thereâs only so much a person sitting at a desk can do in America or even us wayfarers/players that are âfeet on the groundâ and know our areas to maintain order.
The big issue here is Emily (ML) she doesnât have these abilities programmed to explore so randomly accepts or rejects without any human instincts or a soul.
Yep, I am thinking of the submitter just sometimes choosing not to nominate something because they have local knowledge and should think about how this will impact the people who live in the area. And any local reviewers who also know the area.
We canât do much about Emily. They donât let her own a house so she doesnât understand what itâs like to have neighbors!
Iâm confused by this example which one minute is described on private property then on public land.
I need some guidance from Australia
I wouldnât stop to think twice. If it is not on SFPRP (Single Family Private Residential Property) then that box is ticked as ok.
We have a variety of things that are on the public area of the pavement outside of houses.
I feel I have to assess based facts rather than try to imagine what might be acceptable on public land at this spot.
I canât be influenced by whether this place may end up as gym or any other specific place in a game. It might be too close to another waypoint and never appear, I canât assess that.
I can assess if it is a public area.
There will be personal opinion in assessing artwork but not regarding the question of is it an acceptable location.
I disagree. You might say that if the place abutting a SFPRP is clearly publicly owned, then itâs eligible, but I would argue that does not necessarily mean âacceptable.â As @seaprincesshnb said, I think there is an element of local knowledge and being neighborly that would make some âeligibleâ spots right up against someoneâs home otherwise unacceptable in the community. And depending on the community could be downright dangerous.
Trouble is: there is nothing in the guidance to inform these opinions. We only have âlocal knowledgeâ of a few small sectors of our own community, yet we nominate and review all over the map.
I wouldnât know how close players of âGame Xâ must get to a POI, how many could be expected at one time, if they might need to walk in a circle while scanning, if they may want/need to speak with others, etc., etcâŠ
Niantic designs multitudes of games, and they are responsible for the Wayfarer system. It is up to Niantic to design solutions for any problems that are intrinsic to their system.
They havenât suggested any sort of gatekeeping like some here are describing, and I donât see any simple way to get everyone on the same page through imaginative personal opinions.
All we are given is SFPRP, safe pedestrian access, etc.
I was referring to when a submission comes through like this on wayfarer that I would most likely file it under monument â art or vice versa not at the time of nomination.
I personally feel that you have to evaluate each one of these on their own merits.
The Little Free Library comparison is a good one, because they often sit in similar grey areas to Stobie Pole artworks. In my opinion, factors such as there being a clear delineation/boundary between the potential Wayspot and single family private residential property (like a fence, sidewalk, or council maintained landscaping) should be considered, as well as whether people interacting with the potential Wayspot would possibly interfere with the private enjoyment of nearby single family private residential property.
I think we also should recognise that from a game perspective, there is a strong incentive to accept these (rightly or wrongly) because it can transform unremarkable residential suburbs into Wayspot dense locations similar to inner cities other more dense locations. Stobie Pole artworks in residential areas are often readily accepted under the current status quo. You might find that youâre fighting an uphill battle against a lot of other South Australian reviewers should you take a hard ânoâ line with Stobie Pole artworks.
Unfortunately, I donât think itâs possible to have a perfectly binary answer on how to handle these because each one is different.
While local knowledge and community are key, so I agree with you in that sense.
I donât think that areas in public domain, being next to residental property matters. in my state there are a number of parks and churches completely next to residental property that are POIs.
Heck, Iâve joked with my spouse about buying particular houses because Iâd be in range from my couch. Joke never seems to go over well though!
Iâm glad I came across this discussion. I have had plenty of these to review and have so far skipped while I think about it
The power poles are usually outside the homeâs fence and on a patch of grass between the homeâs fence and the foot path. Some suburbs donât have footpaths but just the strip of grass between home fence and road. These concrete/steel poles are also in Queensland and Tasmania. The round wood power poles are also getting the âartâ treatment.
not on private property. Decorated power poles. To me there is not a whole lot of difference between these and the masses of decorated utility boxes. The location of each is similar.
To be decided on a review by basis I guess. Lots seem to be getting approved.
