There is a flaw in the Review Challenge

This flaw is that these wayspots that are being nominated that other community members have been going out to find is being destroyed, I see a lot more rejections to ELIGIBLE spots but is being rejected because the community is on a steam roll to get as many done as possible, and the easiest way to do this is to Reject everything as clicking 10 buttons takes to much time, so the work that others put in to actually find these spots is being ruined and the community needs to take a break and consider what they are actually rejecting because it is ruining all the work that other community members are putting in to find these spots. I believe those that are doing the challenge now are old members that have done reviews in the past and no longer found purpose of actually doing Reviews but this challenge gave them purpose to come back and do reviews and get as many done as possible in order to reach the maximum tier of rewards.

My solution would be to put a cooldown of 1 minute before reviewing next as all wayspots should be carefully reviewed, and yes there might be obvious rejections but still the community needs to do this very carefully and not rejecting everything just because it is the fastest way to max rewards

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To be honest, the fastest way for me to review if I only cared about speed is to get edits ie photo additions, title or description changes.

I dont just reject nominations to speed up, I dont need to. If I dont want to review a whole nomination properly, I can just skip.

If you’d like some feedback on improving the rejected nominations you can share screenshots here

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Title: Picnic i Skoven
Description: tag på picnic i skoven ved præstegården perfekt til en hyggelig tur i skoven
Supplemental Information: er permanent installeret og et meget besøgt sted her i Skarrild og er ideel da det er tæt på Skarrilds seværdigheder

I live in this area and this get rejected on the reason that it is not permanent and yet the Picnic table is in the ground and not moveable and has been standing here for years and this Forrest is a local gem and this area is visited often by the locals and tourists

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Yeah sadly this happens a lot. I had a picnic area rejected around a month ago too, and then the appeals team also rejected it despite it being on satellite

I would try submitting again. Are the benches and tables set into the ground in some way? It might be good to mention/show that to reduce the “not permanent” votes. I would also mention how this is a great place to be social, picnics in the woods etc

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Hiking Trails is the same. Well documented with internet links and i still got a lot of rejections. And poeple got upgrade from this. This is frustrating.

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not just Upgrades but also they will get items in either Pokemon GO or Ingress, The more “agreed” Reviews you get the more points you get so everyone is rejecting everything in order to get points as fast as possible because a Reject is a Point if it gets rejected

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I meant outside of challenges but i fully agree with you.

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In my small sample it hasn’t worked in this way.

The challange has cleared out what I had outstanding…

3 nominations accepted.
1 Title edit accepted.
1 Re-submit regected again (damn King George V post box :slight_smile: )

I have already completed the 500 with the majority done before the major slowdowns and as @ frealafgb (or whatever you are called today :slight_smile: ) states most where edits where often you get “Whats the best description: Null or Some text”. these can be answered within a couple of seconds…

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I have done several Wayspot nominations and after this challenge started most have been rejected on most ridiculous of reasons, and when I start reviewing and look around these nominations, others have gotten multiple wayspots confirmed around something inappropriate and even obvious fakes but mine are not getting confirmed which are eligible and permanent and appropriate

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When I woke up I was Frea but now back to free again. Niantic cant make up their mind as to what my name is

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Now you are contradicting your OP. You are saying that people are rejecting yours for “speed” but accepting others.

Don’t think this is anything to do with the challenge.

The forums regular have posts of “My perfect waypoint has been rejected whilst others poor waypoints are accepted”, the challenge is just increasing the numbers,

This is not a comment on your nomination as if I got that to review I would likely accept it.

Increase the amount of completed reviews x 100 = 100 x as many “suspect decisions” :frowning:

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No you are misunderstanding me, The wayspots im looking at is already accepted nominations and are on the map already, Im saying that since this challenge started to many members have forgotton the criteria and is simply just steam rolling through reviews in order to get as many done as possible and if they see a clear mistake from my nomination i could agree but Im carefully thinking if the nominations im making are eligible before submitting because i do not want to repost them all the time as it is a waste of time to keep repeating my self because it gets rejected for reasons that does not make sense, the appeal doesnt work anyway as it is only 1 per month and i cant appeal all these nominations im making,

The global nature of the challenge means you might be getting reviewers that do not normally vote on objects in your area. They might not be familiar with how things work in your area, and they might have voted under incorrect assumptions based on how things work in their own area. If you still have submissions that aren’t in voting yet, consider trying to quickly edit in additional contextual information. Or quickly remotely resubmitting rejected nominations with contextual information. For example, in your image, I can see that the tables appear to be on posts driven into the ground. You can mention this to emphasise their permanent nature as picnic tables in other countries might be of the movable sort and foreign reviewers might not notice this unless pointed out.

Also, just because something is obvious to the submitter doesn’t always mean it’s obvious to the reviewers. For example, I’ve seen submissions claiming that a building is clearly visible on satellite, but all I can see on satellite is a plain nondescript roof with no way of knowing if it’s the correct roof at all. In this case, the permanent nature of a picnic table might be common and obvious knowledge to people in the area, but reviewers have never been to the area and only have two pictures and the word of an unknown (to them) wayfarer to rely on.

And yeah, like frealafgab said, reviewing edits is often much faster than reviewing nominations. Also, I don’t really think adding a cooldown would help. If there are people abusing the system because they don’t care to read or check information, they probably still wouldn’t care even if you forced them to wait. I think the more likely outcome is that they would just reject one per minute while doing something else on their phone/computer. And worse, people who were voting seriously might be forced to speed up because right now things are balanced with some easy rejects/accepts/edits and some harder to evaluate that could take more than 5 minutes to check, but adding a 1-minute cooldown would mean minimum over 8 hours of reviewing so people would be pressured to spend a max of one minute on each review.

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I dont need a whole minute to approve edits like this for example. I would probably quit reviewing altogether if I had to go that slow.


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“the appeal doesnt work anyway as it is only 1 per month and i cant appeal all these nominations im making,”

Right now you can resubmit it right away and there’s a chance it’d get re-reviewed by the community at a speed usually only seen with AI rejections. It’s not limited to anything rejected during the challenge either. Basically an “appeal to community” option while voting is still hot.

By the way, a tip to avoid having to trek to hard-to-reach submissions multiple times: You can save multiple submissions for the same object by either making multiple nominations and putting the extras on hold, or just using the upload later option and only uploading one at a time. If it gets accepted, just delete the extras. If it gets rejected, you can take one extra and revise the description / supporting statement based on rejection reasons before releasing the hold.

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I think the sweet spot is between 20 and 30 seconds…

Speaking of old reviewers who don’t know how the system works… we can use 2 appeals every 20 days. We’ve had that change for quite a while.

I understand your frustration. But every time i experience a “bad” rejection, i look at my nomination and realize that i could have improved it to avoid the rejection. In your case, could you have taken the second photograph from a different angle to show the picnic area in relation to some feature that can be seen on satellite? Can you see the rectory at all? Sometimes i even circle the landmark if its very small and i tell the reviewer to enlarge the photo to see it. I’ve also done photo collages to show the location from 2 different angles.

You also didn’t tell us how quickly this one was rejected. I’m curious if it was actually rejected by ML. Many people have trouble getting single picnic tables past ML.

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It got through ML, This was rejected by the community, I have another case where ML is rejecting the same Wayspot nomination over and over.

You dont have to be able to see it from Satellite or streetview, If the location does not exist it will get reported anyway and removed, Streetview and satellite is only guidance you cant use it to confirm a location exists or not, the Nomination could be a new established POI or a hidden gem that none other had explored, If you are judging from Google streetview or satellite you’re doing it wrong

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No, you need some way to prove that it exists where you claim. There are too many people out there misplacing items for their own advantage to completely ignore minimum proof. I think you missed my statement that if you can’t see the specific item on satellite or street view, you should try to include something else that can be. If it’s brand new construction, search for a website that might have a map or planned layout. If it’s a trail in the woods, look to see if the trail is outlined on OSM and explain that to the reviewers in your supplemental. If all those ways fail, try taking the supplemental photo with GPS coordinates stamped on them.

There are a ton of methods you can use to give proof that the item is located in that spot.

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