Local volunteer firefighter dies on a fire in his response area. A hand painted mural is made and deemed not culturally or historically significant enough after 3 months of voting.
Reviewers are volunteers for a game collecting mapping information to sell. You aren’t a judge on a game show like Americas got talent. The game would be unplayable without boring points of interest like benches, plaques, trail markers, and little libraries. The significance of this mural is beyond anything most people have ever submitted.
If you feel submissions need to blow you away it’s time to take a break from reviewing. Maybe go outside and really take a look at the points of interest you interact with the most and ask yourself if todays community would approve of those points of interest.
Ty! Niantic seems to be pulling nominations to internally review that have reached this age without coming to a decision. I am not sure what they were trying to indicate with “The submission lacks uniqueness or historical and cultural meaning” but if it said “our team” then it wasn’t fellow explorers. And it shouldn’t say “Reviewers provided these top reasons for not accepting this submission” when it was Niantic review.
The point of interest was submitted on behalf of the captain of that station. If you had an updated picture you’d see there’s handicap parking in front of the mural. If handicaps can be in that area without issue able bodied people can be there as well. If you contacted the department you’d see that you can tour any station. Also note that 911 emergency happen everywhere. I guarantee that your cities most popular areas to play have had their share of 911 calls. If all possible obstructions to emergency services there would be no points of interest period.
It’s still at a fire station, and even if the captain said it was ok to nominate, Wayfarer says that fire stations are ineligible locations. There’s no way around this. It is listed in the Rejection Criteria, and reviewers can downvote on Appropriate and choose Obstructs emergency services as a rejection reason.
Ineligible location, place, or object
Location obstructs the driveways of emergency services or may interfere with the operations of fire stations, police stations, hospitals, military bases, industrial sites, power plants, or air traffic control towers
If you truly believe that this is an eligible nomination in an eligible location, you have two options. Submit a new nomination for this, or appeal this rejection to Niantic. You get two appeals, each on a 20 day counter before you can use it again.
As a reviewer, I err on the side of caution and do not accept anything at a fire station. If you resubmit, you need to prove to reviewers like me that this location will not interfere with emergency response.
Then should someone delete everything that has been near a 911 response since wayfarer was made? I really think you’re underestimating how frequently 911 is called. There really would be virtually nothing to interact with. It was a reactionary rule to sensationalist news on release of Pokemon Go.
“Obstructs emergency services” is a rejection reason. Fire stations were in a database that was used to seed locations for Ingress before there ever was Pokemon Go, so you may see some existing ones, but they are removed when reported. Yes, every location that obstructs emergency services should be removed as a Wayspot. I am not sure what all you are lumping in to “911” so I don’t want to agree with that. A 911 emergency location number on a trail could be a valid Wayspot, because there is no response originating from there.
This has nothing to do with how often 911 is called, regardless of the area. Wayspot criteria is globally based, and anything at fire stations, police stations, ER entrances, etc, are ineligible locations.
I too would have rejected this for obstructing emergency services, regardless if a captain there gave the ok. A handicap parking spot doesn’t convince me that this is a good place for a Wayspot either.
I have also gotten many fire station Wayspots removed because they don’t meet criteria. One that I got removed as of late is across the street from a park, with has several Wayspots already, so there are other places to play. Even hospitals with ER services may have elgiible Wayspots not near the ER.
Wayfarer does not say that ‘fire stations are ineligible’.
Niantic instructs reviewers to give extra scrutiny to ensure that emergency services won’t be hampered.
Memorial murals at public parking spots don’t threaten the operation of the fire station in any way. If there was any potential for a problem, the municipality would have ‘X-ed’ out those spots.
It does no good to extend, stretch, or modify the criteria beyond the stated instructions.
Yes, they do. Fire stations are ineligible locations as they provide emergency services to a community, and being at a Wayspot at a fire station could obstruct those services. I quoted what is exactly listed in the Rejection Criteria on the help page as well as on the Wayfarer website.
Fire fighters may have to park here, or trucks may have to be parked here for maintenance or if a garage isn’t available; that truck may then roll out to a fire or emergency from said parking lot. Parking lots at fire stations, police stations, etc, can still be ineligible locations, as they could obstruct the services.
What makes you a good judge of what obstructs emergency services if don’t know when to call 911? Fires, medical emergencies, requesting law enforcement, hazmat situations, etc. There’s 10 people who clearly aren’t all firefighters with chairs set out in the surrounding photo.
Hello and welcome @Povertyaccount
I understand how frustrating this must feel when it is of local significance and you have waited for its outcome.
Please remember the wayfinders that review are also those that submit. They are wayfinders just like you. So please treat them with respect.
Any one who chooses to review is doing so to help nominations get an outcome.
There is a set of guidelines that everyone has to operate within. Most of the time it will involve judgement calls based on the available information.
There are a few that are much firmer and obstructs emergency services is one of those.
At a guess this might not have been clear as it took several months and the intervention of the wayfarer team to resolve it.
If you believe you can make a case that where this is located at the fire station will not obstruct the service then you should use an appeal to make that case based on detailed description of the location and why it wont obstruct.
draw attention to details that might be in the 2 photos or visible from streetview to back up your case.
I would also emphasise why this is locally significant person.
Ten chairs can be temporarily set up for a ceremony. I am trying to let you know why your nomination spent 3 months in voting without reviewers coming to a conclusion so that you can address it if you resubmit. We are instructed to use our best judgement in reviewing, and that is what I do.
