Would these meet the requirements?

Happy for you that they are going through but…
I have to say i have doubts about these on various grounds.
I believe the ethos behind these is different from NCN
And the ones without an arrow are not decision points.
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The LCN’s are posted on both sides of the road and is facing both directions. I also used Cycle routes – Cycling in Harrow – London Borough of Harrow as a supporting link to show the routes.

The bit in green is the route in question.

If it turns out not to be eligible, then I will take it on the chin. I can see both sides of the argument, but I went with the argument that Local Cycle Routes that are backed by Council sources should, in principle, be just as eligible as TFL’s Cycleways and NCN’s. If that is faulty logic, I’ll accept it.

These do seem to be functionally equivalent to the cycle route markers in the Netherlands that are routinely accepted, routinely reported and routinely removed by Niantic as they are considered by Niantic to be just road infrastructure.

Do we have a definitive statement from Niantic saying these are not eligible across the board?

I haven’t kept a link to the posting from Niantic about the Netherlands markers, but I know other people have it. There was a definitive statement from Niantic about those markers,. but it obviously can’t apply worldwide as those markers don’t exist worldwide.

This is the conversation where I asked Aaron to explain which are ineligible.

I still don’t get it, but they aren’t a huge issue here.

This is the sort of wayspot that is accepted, reported and always (?) removed by Niantic in the Netherlands:

I think it’s unclear which is why I’m not saying anything strongly.
They are a mix of on road dedicated cycle lanes and structured as such but also off road sections.
The philosophy was about providing cycle friendly routes as part of a commute, not sure if that has shifted a little.
So some parts will be more pedestrian friendly than others.

I get the point that this could be seen as infrastructure, but I could argue that Footpath signs, NCN’s, Capital Ring signs are also infrastructure as well. Whilst I get Capital Ring routes does encourage exploration, I am not sure the NCN’s are in the same category. I was in the mindset before that NCN’s shouldn’t be accepted because they could be seen as infrastructure, but also accept that they could encourage exploration and also safe cycle routes.

The ones I have submitted do, which I accept, provide safe cycle routes, which are no different to footpath signs, but also encourage people to go through the nearby park (Kenton Recreation Ground). I accept that the LCN in question may not primarily serve that purpose, but can be seen as unintended benefit.

Would I submit all LCN’s that I come across? Probably not. I would need to justify subbing it.

Sorry if this comes across as argumentative, but I would need to better understand why LCN’s are not acceptable and why Footpath Signs and NCN’s are.

Personally I do feel these encourage exercise and feel similar to the local cycle routes I submit (which are also walkable). NCN I feel are more about long distance exploring on top of the exercise, but I don’t think that invalidates these? NCN are better, but that doesn’tmean these are ineligible, in my opinion

The Netherlands route markers being removed has not found (m)any wayfarers agreeing with this, if that helps.

Ultimately, it’s Niantic’s / Scopely’s decision as to whether they are acceptable or not. And whatever they decide, regardless of whether I accept it or not, I’ll abide by the decision. The LCN’s do encourage exploration and safe exercise just as NCN’s do… but I need to get my head around as to why they are not eligible.

I’d say all 3 but the middle one could be a struggle. Some may reject it as a road sign not a cycle route marker.

Bottom one although weather faded you can see the name of the route so should be easy to clarify.

I see it as a healthy discussion :smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

I have some for another city on hold as I am very unsure.
It’s for a stretch that is off road and happens to follow an NCN.
Nothing wrong with edge cases and I won’t be bothered if they were rejected.
And there are different types of sign too. So even if you do end up thinking the route is ok is it truly helping to navigate the route.
I have lots of questions about these.

If my ones got rejected, I would appeal and bring it hear for a final decision as I would normally do. If it got rejected here, I’ll take it as a lesson learnt and not sub or resubmit.