Bad appeal decisions

Title: Kunstroute Diamant/Kornalijn
location: 53.22817329457873, 6.525347895169326

My understanding of the current trail marker criteria is that the marker is only eligible if the trail itself meets the criteria. With this thought in mind, I submitted a trail marker for an art trail. As the description mentions, the trail takes you past most artworks in the neighborhood.

As the community rejected the trail marker, I figured I’d appeal the decision. Niantic decided to reject it for being a mass produced object.

If the trail marker represents (anchors) the trail and we should only accept them if the trail meets the criteria, shouldn’t we also judge the trail on whether it is mass produced instead of the trail marker?

I’d appreciate more guidance on trail markers. Everyone I’ve asked in local & larger communities seems to agree that this trail marker meets the latest guidance on trail markers. Is there some secret guidance we aren’t being informed about?

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Hi,
The clarification about trails and trail markers is in the Criteria Clarification Collection

It is the trail that is important not the markers. Typically by design, trail markers are very similar.
Have you a link to the trail especially one that covers the route?
Sorry I don’t read Dutch does your title and description make it clear why this marker is unique to this point? Is it key to following the trail because of a change in direction for example (a decision point).
It might be tricky if it’s at the point of the art work because the question would then be is it acting as an anchor for the art or for the trail.

Sorry if you might have addressed these already but it is the sort of info you need to make the case.

This section is for specific types of appeals.
It looks like you are querying an appeal so I can move this to the general section.

This marker is not unique to this point. You’ll find the same marker elsewhere on the trail. The function isn’t unique as it has the same function as every other trail marker on any trail: to point people in the right direction. This interpretation would validate rejecting almost all trail markers.

On the other hand you can argue that the function is unique because it’s the only marker that you encounter while crossing a specific street. That argument can be used for almost every other trail marker on earth. This interpretation would validate accepting almost all trail markers.

It’s not at an artwork. It’s at a switch in direction.

I’m moving the post back to the appeal section as I’d still like the decision on this waypoint to be overturned. The rest of my questions and comments are aimed at getting a response that actually answers some questions.

I wonder if the rejection could be due to the fact there are 2 markers that are exactly the same at this intersection, but on opposite sidewalks.

They are the exact same, but do seem to point you in the correct direction to follow for the trail.

If that’s the case I’d like to see someone from Niantic justify it

Your description of its unique location is what I would also define as what makes this specific to this place :sunglasses:.
That is important as it is Marking a decision point on a trail.

Please do not move the thread from general discussion. that is the area where people discuss cases where they believe the outcome of a nomination Appeal is not correct. It is not relevant to the other appeals in that other section. The wayfarer team read these here.

I think having had time to look at this I agree with @DTrain2002 there may be an issue that there are are 2 markers very close together. It’s clear the purpose of each is different as the combination of the 2 makes a right turn to cross a road then 10-20m a left turn to follow a pavement.

Have you got a link to the information about the route please?

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Yeah, I checked Lightship first to see if the other 1 was a Wayspot, but neither are. So, I checked Street View, and there are 2 on opposite sides of the street, both embedded into the sidewalks.

@nattekrant What was your supporting info? Was a link included in that and/or your appeal?

https://routesingroningen.nl/wandelroutes/kunstroute-vinkhuizen/

Thanks that is helpful

That matches with the location of the route direction marker

I think it would be reasonable to consider this junction amount to one decision area.

Did you include the information on that site about the length of the walk and the sort of things you would see? That is what is important to explain what is interesting about the route.