Can we please get some clarification on the “private property” rejection built into the review flow?
I have now had to burn six weeks worth of appeals on nominations where this was incorrectly used (two apartment complex swimming pools and a hotel swimming pool) while forum guidance says it’s for single family only.
Yes but the reviewer has to specifically open that.
But that is built in to the review flow. I’m not sure what kind of solution you’re looking for, but adding more clicks is rarely the answer. People will stop reviewing if you force them to click more times for each review.
It would help a lot of the rejection reason in the review flow was also “single family private residence”
I feel like the voting system handles private property different for each time. I’ve submitted multiple beautiful art murals on house facades, which are technically on private property, even though you can see and reach them perfectly fine from the sidewalk. Some went through without issues while others got flagged for being on private residential property. Not sure whether or not this is Niantics AI flagging it or the voters.
I agree with this. I know what “private property” is so why would I look to see what that means? I would not have known that I was supposed to click on the circled i for more information if y’all hadn’t told me.
This is what I meant. Visible without opening the info window.
The ones I am referring to (as mentioned) are apartment and hotel buildings where this rejection is clearly not meant to be used.
Also, AI rejections are labeled as such and virtually always happen in the first 24 hours. These went through the regular voting process. Two of mine were approved via appeal, the third is currently pending. But that consumed six weeks worth of appeals.
Indeed, when I started reviewing I actually made the wrong call very often, as I believed private property actually means private property.
It was at this forum where I learned it was about SFPR.
My workaround is including something like “In the review flow/Appropriate section, info icon says restricted locations are allowed” in the Supplemental Info section.
This has helped my submissions in gated apartment complexes and hotels. I have had to use a few appeals even if included although it seems to have gotten better in the past couple of months (maybe more reviewers in my area are seeing apartment pools get accepted).
As you say, appeals are limited and will feel even moreso now that nominations/submissions cap have increased.
It would be nice if it the Acceptance and Rejection Criteria pages were updated to be more explicit/specific. It’s vague enough that less knowledgeable reviewers just think “oh private property – reject.” Or for reviewers to get clear, non-vague education emails when incorrect reviews are overturned.
Ive also found this recently as have had public footpath markers rejected by both AI and on appeal for being on private property.
Public Footpath markers are on the guidelines as suitable for a nomation, but if the sign is then refused for being on private property it then becomes an issue that every single marker is technically on private property.
There is a public right of way across said property, hence the point of the footpath marker being there in the first place, it may be attached to private property, but is visible from a public right of way - in my eyes its exactly the same as a large mural on the side of a building that is visible from the street without entering the private property, its exactly the same as footpath markers. The same goes for shopping centres, there are loads of wayspots inside shopping centres because they are publicly accessible and the public have a right of way, but technically its on privately owned property, so which is it?
So what is the guidance here? Either we remove almost every single location that is legally on private property - which will be literally millions of wayspots - or there needs to be a more common sense approach of what we mean when it comes to private property
Continuing the discussion from Private Residences, Farmland & K-12:
I submit a lot of PROW markers, but if it is attached to a house wall then I won’t as that is not allowed.
The vast majority are not like that. They are on separate poles so are fine.
The PROW are eligible for submission, they then need to be assessed to see if they are acceptable.
I do find it frustrating that a lot are submitted simply saying it’s a footpath with no attempt to demonstrate how this path will meet criteria.
Then you find it’s 40-60m long and is basically a cut through. So does not meet criteria.
Forgot to address the point it is single family private residential property. So commercial places are fine, a property that is flats is fine as the structure is communal.
Thus a mural on the side of a business is good
A mural on the side of a block of flats is good
A mural on the side of an end terrace family home is not allowed.
In that case I think the current criteria and its explanation needs to be reviewed/reworded as I appreciate that it currently says private residential dwellings are not eligible, but it also says farmland.
Footpath markers are almost always on farmland so based on the current criteria shouldn’t be approved, but at the same time are encouraged for submission?
Is there also a minimum distance on footpaths etc? Your comment about being 40-60m suggests there is, but to me whenever I see a footpath marker that isnt a wayspot I submit it
It is down to individual judgement calls regarding distance of a path. I have seen several of that distance recently (rowmaps tells you how long it is)
My personal view is that sort of distance ( roughly 2 houses deep) is not going to be a path that provides the opportunity for great exercise or exploration as it is such short distance. It is the trail / path that is interesting and should be described, not the sign. Not all official PROW which is a legal status will be that.
It is up to the submitter to make the case that the route does meet criteria.
Never knew about Rowmaps - great site thank you.
Gives me plenty of other places to go looking and exploring!
