Community Feedback: The Importance of a 'Wayspot' Map

Will the map also feature import powerstop? That would be useful in this situation where i cant use geosp4tial map to explain which one import and which one is unused wayspot.

I would not want it to feature powerspots. If if is not an actual Wayspot, I would not want it on the map of them. If everyone has access to the map, everyone would be able to check.

I want those powerspot imports off the nomination map screen, too, but that is a different issue.

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I also dont want because i am focusing on submission.but i want to check because i am not sure if the map gonna be exclusively for pogo or other game. But if the map have filter feature, its fine i guess.

I have been without the IITC app for a while until I found out how to update, and it is virtually impossible to plan some serious wayfaring without it.

There is not all that much stuff to nominate here, and what there is is usually close together. Moving two steps in any direction while staying at the spot is sometimes needed to get it in the correct place to fit all criteria . Without the map you have no way of knowing how many more spots can be added to a cell, or where the S2 cells are,or plan a gym.

If the map disappears, nominating will just be a lottery, and let some very good spots get lost because of inches. There is not just one pinpoint where you can nominate, it is usually a few feet for small objects, but sometimes a ten or more meter circle around a building that can make all the difference. It is already very frustrating as it is, with people denying good spots with no good reason. Please let us keep the map for Pogo.

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I think something that is missing from this discussion is the importance of a quality Wayspot map on the Niantic Spatial side of the split. Granted, Spatial will likely continue to use Intel, Mission Creator, and GSB. However, none of these maps are ideal, and could really benefit from some of the features that @Tntnnbltn discussed above. The biggest problem with Intel and Mission Creator is that they don’t show all locations. Meanwhile, GSB is only accessible to people with a Lightship Developer account and has never been marketed towards the broader playerbase. I think it should be a high priority for Spatial to develop a better Wayspot map, as much as it is for Scopely.

Huge thanks to @Tntnnbltn for putting together this thread. A practical map of Wayspots has been missing from Wayfarer since 2021 and it’s something I’ve mentioned in just about every Wayfarer survey that Niantic has sent out.

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This was a very interesting survey. Most of the proposed features for the Scopely map, even those I didn’t vote for, would be great additions. However, the ability to edit directly from the map should be considered carefully. This feature is highly prone to abuse, and unless it can be thoroughly managed, the risks outweigh the benefits. We should not repeat the failure of the Wayfarer app.

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The topic was focused for Scopely:

I think that bringing up the other side muddies the issue.

Agreed that Spatial also could reflect on their map offerings, however as Wayfarer is going to Scopely — and is taking the Wayfarer Ambassador program with them — the Wayfarer Ambassadors won’t have an audience with Spatial developers.

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Excellent topic!
Everything I have been thinking about is covered in this topic. And so many enthusiastic people responded.

I couldn’t explain it well enough to everyone.

Many thanks for the poll. I’m glad it’s being raised at Ambassador level.

I use IITC/intel almost daily to plan nominations (mostly for pogo but I do play Ingress too). It gives me a bit (read: a lot) of dread potentially not being able to continue this kind of planning going forward. Over the years my friends and I have done weekend road trips many hundreds of kilometres away to explore random regional towns and nominate wayspots there for fun. If the current tools we rely on are removed, I’d still nominate something super obvious like a new mural, but honestly it’d be far less enjoyable and I’d probably just stop nominating things if it feels like I’m doing it blind.

I’d be happy with anything resembling IITC with some additions. Maybe if they’d resurrect the Wayfarer app, and allow the plugins we have had with IITC, that might not be so onerous for Scopely since the bones of the Wayfarer app seem to be there already.

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Filter toggle on/off Powerspots / non-Wayspots mode?

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This one depends on how the map gonna be used in future. I dont know if scopely planning to incorporate it into other scopely game in future

A map with all of the features that were polled would be completely game changing. Seeing our own submissions would be a big motivator.

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A map with similar features to the IITC and its various user-plugins to keep track of cells and placing planning pins would be absolutely essential to making my Wayfarer experience as efficient as possible. I currently rely on the IITC to plan my trips to nominate Wayspots accordingly, so I know how I have to place my nominations to get as many pokestops for an area as I possibly can with the cell distance rules.

Were it not for being able to see cells and plan ahead accordingly like I can in the IITC, a lot of the pokestops I have made may have ended up in occupied cells and not shown up at all in PoGo. This planning informs me where I want to walk during my daily walks, or even what I could do when I’m taking a dedicated car trip somewhere. That wouldn’t be possible without an app that shows wayspots and cells which I could reliably plan in.

Having some form of planning program we can use once IITC effectively becomes defunct is going to be really important to me.

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I agree with most of what is said here. But I’d like to stress how important a map like Intel is for those of us who take Wayfarer and reviewing seriously. There are plenty of times while reviewing that a map of Wayspots is helpful in determining if something shady is going on with a nomination or area. It is equally helpful for those of us who provide help to others who may be not be in the same county in determining why their nomination has not shown up in Pokemon GO. It is a very frustrating experience for new submitters who get a nomination accepted, but then don’t see the accepted nomination in the game. Being able to assess an area for others and explain why they don’t see their poke stop is incredibly helpful.

I would strongly put forth the above argument as to why such a public Intel map is a vitally important feature beyond merely seeing where Wayspots are and planning submissions.

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I love this little poll. Yes I totally agree we need a Waypoint map, especially for PokƩmon Go and other future games Scopely has up its sleeve to use the Wayfarer Waypoints.

I do atm use the PokeMap.info website ( www.pogomap.info), this is community run and Waypoints are added by players and submitters like myself to help plan builds of new areas and also fellow players across the globe, all from my living room.

Perhaps You guys could team up. :+1:

See you soon.

Drac

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Something I forgot to mention in my previous comment on this topic is: If a Wayspot is in an incorrect location and the correct location is in a map cell which already has a Wayspot, that corrected Wayspot disappears from the game (i.e. would no longer be a gym or PokƩstop). Thus, I have zero incentive to correct incorrectly placed Wayspots (unless this has changed). Obviously, local players (including myself) are not going to be happy if a Wayspot for something that still exists is removed from the game and reality is, >90% of players are unaware of map cells and nobody would want to get flak for making a correction (even if done with the best of intentions) that results in fewer Wayspots.

Theoretically, people use make Wayspots disappear out of spite due to the aforementioned, because we know how toxic some communities get. Luckily, everyone where I play is really friendly. There are Wayspots whose location I’d love to correct, but I also do not want them to be removed from the game entirely so that is disincentive for me in terms of keeping the database organised.

Now surely, the amount of honest players vastly outnumber the small amount of players who would seek to use Wayspot movement for nefarious purposes and hence movement of Wayspots should not incur a penalty of it potentially being removed from the game entirely?

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Well good thing is now unused wayspot can become power spot. So its not entirely useless. But i agree on the community thing will make certain matter complicated

It’s an integral part of nominations. Not having any map will be absolutely detrimental to motivation of getting out, looking for things to nominate, and actually nominating. It would be a humongous step down in terms of support quality for the people nominating - which are the same people reviewing, so if Scopely want to at least keep the current level, they must know they have to provide something.
Honestly, it being integrated into Campfire, the game itself, reviving the Wayfarer app, or having a separate app is not important at all, as long as it has those ā€œbasicā€ functionalities, perhaps at level of IITC+PoGo tools, or something like that. Even a straight up port would work to start with for me. But we gotta have something.

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Agree. I also prefer looking at the maps on my laptop, and sometimes it is due to my vision issues. I prefer reviewing on my laptop as well, really not a huge fan of reviewing on my phone, so if they did make something in Campfire, a desktop version would need to be made available. I don’t even have the extensions installed on my phone, just my laptop.

Besides, I bet there are some Campfire users that would like a desktop version anyways, possibly for communicating with others.

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