No, no, I think that “reference” is a better word. @ sign doesn’t LINK to anything, it can REFER to artist’s profile on one or more social networks.
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I dont have any Instagram or X accounts or any social media other than discord and linkedIn. I don’t know what an instagram account name looks like. Why am I supposed to know that for wayfarer? I did not know that we couldn’t use an “@” if we were writing up a nomination that uses an "@'.
The idea that I could put my account at risk for simply writing the artist’s signature as they signed it is absurd.
My recommendation to Niantic is that they need to make these criteria clarifications public. That doesn’t mean stick them on a website that not everyone looks at, or post them on a social media platform that not everyone uses. That means email them to people, and pop up a notice in their game when they open the submit menu.
Communicate better if you want people to know stuff. If you don’t communicate this stuff, then dont punish people for not knowing it.
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There is a link here (at least in Pokémon GO) when people go to nominate which links to the criteria pages.
I wonder how many people read/look at that though.
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Popping up a notice in-game at the START of nomination process would be great. The notice should have a link to the wayfarer website, especially to the thread with clarifications, and then every step should have an explanation of what is and is not allowed and how things should and should not be done. After a player makes a certain amount of submissions, allow to make those explanations optional. But the notice with the link should appear once every few months when starting a new nomination.
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Ingress has Tips button, but tips there are not very informative.
Yeah, they could also just pop up a new message to everyone when theres a clarification made or an update to criteria
Yeah thats not what I’m meaning, because this also applies to people who did read the critieria
I am talking about ongoing communication of changes and updates and clarifications that arent the core critieria (or when the core stuff changes too)
Consider a long term player who read the critieria when Pokemon Go (or even Ingress) started to allow submissions. They then continued to submit in game. They didnt edit their submissions on the website - they just submitted via in game and continued to do so for 5, 7, 10 years. They wont click that link - they “know” the criteria, right? They dont need it.
Can you guys move on with the @ symbol. Regardless of the usage, it’s the username thats important and to even reject something because of that qualifier is nuts. It’s no different than using an artist’s name in the description.
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So y’all just follow the clarifications that you like, and not the ones you don’t? Then there is no point to making any more of these.
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Flawed though they may be, the core criteria seem to make a kind of sense that permit one to follow by using one’s best judgement.
The ‘clarifications’ might support core criteria (making them useful) or they might not.
The clarification saying that one of our orthographic symbols is forbidden makes no sense to me. Artists choose their names on my planet, and tech bros cannot diminish our self-expression unless we let them.
I refuse to cede my own right to free speech, and I won’t help to silence others. There ought to be a reasonable way to resolve whatever issue is at hand without resorting to censorship.
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So you follow the ones you like, and not the ones you don’t.
Niantic barely follows them themselves.
NOTHING in the criteria clarifications about trail markers says that the trails have to have a unique name, and yet Niantic seems to believe that they do.
NOTHING in the criteria clarifications about street art says that the street art has to be approved by local authorities to be eligible, and yet Niantic is scrubbing every single painted powerbox wayspot from my city.
Mod Edit: Removed the part that indirectly encouraged not following criteria
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Whoever wrote that ‘rule’ can go do the other thing.
I’m not picking and choosing stuff I like, I’m internalizing a logical matrix. I cannot swallow this issue, so I must reject it.
I’m hoping that most of the clarifications will hew to a path I can follow. If they mostly do so, I’ll continue with this hobby. The issue here has scope beyond Wayfarer, and tries to say which names we can use in life and art. That’s a big deal to me.
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I’m honestly curious as to how you view this might be affecting freedom of speech. I don’t want to get into a long debate. I was just curious do you mean that because Niantic doesn’t want us to put a particular symbol in the title of the way spot in their database that that somehow is part of free speech? Again, just a question.
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It’s not “forbidden,” it’s a specific use that is allowed. “Playground @ Sunset Park” is acceptable. Every letter of known alphabets are acceptable but certain arrangements of them are not. " ツ" is acceptable but thrown into a title in an irrelevant manner is not. (Commence the war on ツ)
What came first, artists identifying their nom de plume with an “@-” tag for platforms utilizing tags to address user accounts or the tech bro platform? Do the artists tend to genuinely identify as @[name]? I know that in some of my circles I’ll introduce myself as Gendgi but I’ve never said “Hi I’m at Gendgi.”
What nation or group of nations supports your “free speech?” Because I’m guessing it doesn’t protect you from following rules established by a private company and how they choose to moderate their intellectual property.
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This is not a technical issue, and isn’t really about the title.
The clarification states that we must change artists’ names or reject their work. I do not recognize their authority over this matter.
OK, so it’s not a freedom of speech issue. You’re saying that you disagree with their policy on how you can enter peoples names. I get that.
I think it’s fine to disagree and to point out things that you think should be changed. I’m not arguing that with you at all.
Niantic is a private company that has as part of its property, a database, for which they can make any rule they want. We can choose to take part or not, but ultimately this lightship database belongs to them and although we hope they listen to community members concerns, they are under no obligation to do so.
In the end, it seems we actually all agree that @cyndiepooh’s request for clarification on this topic is exactly what everyone wants.
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Rights are not given. We can negotiate over how they are asserted.
Niantic’s starting point was declaring it unacceptable if an artist signed their work with a name beginning with ‘@’. It must be changed or rejected.
It’s not for Niantic to say what an artist’s name is. I am not going to reject a work because it is signed with a name starting with ‘@’.
Rights are given when you use a free platform, not negotiated because you disagree with them.
No. It’s that the @[tag] which typically is there as a promotional link to encourage viewers of the art to follow the artist on a social media platform, may not be allowed in the text that appears in game. And that’s always been there.
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