eMiLy auto denied this one, but I thought the Niantic appeal would easily see that this is clearly a perfect nomination and allow it. The statue is small, but that’s kind of the point and size is not as far as I’m aware a criteria that needs to be met. There are 16 different life sized metal frogs placed all throughout the entire town kind of like a scavenger hunt. I will leave the website where it talks about the program for further clarification. I’m baffled that the appeal team denied this it is most certainly permanent.
Appeal Notes:
The submission is in a public location. It is a unique art piece. It is in an area that is great for exploring. The description goes in detail about the history of the frog and why it’s where it is.
Niantic Note:
Thanks for the appeal, Explorer! The nomination in question does not meet the Wayfarer criteria as it is small frog statue which seems to be temporary and not unique. We recommend you review the Wayspot Criteria before submitting your next Wayspot contribution: Wayfarer — Niantic Technical Support and Help Center
Title: Keister the frog
Description:
Keister is a bronze frog statue, one of 16 spread around Blacksburg to celebrate the freshwater streams running beneath the town. It’s named after the Keister family, whose farm stood here in the 1800s, long before the area became the neighborhoods east of Main Street. That same creek that once nourished their land still flows underground today.
supplemental information:
This statue is located right next to a public sidewalk, making it an accessible and engaging spot for exploration. A QR code next to the statue on top of the side rail provides additional historical context, offering details about the town’s hidden water system and the Keister family’s legacy.
Location: 902 S Main St, Blacksburg, VA 24060, USA
I can understand why, at first glance, this may appear to be temporary to an appeal reviewer. It does look a bit like a random garden ornament rather than a permanent fixture.
If I was going to resubmit this, I would suggest putting the link from the QR code into your supporting info. That way reviewers can look at the information themselves and have that extra context (assuming it gets past Emily - if not, then at least the appeal reviewers would have that information).
Thank you for commenting, but I politely disagree. Any metal statue given the correct size could be considered a garden ornament. I provided plenty of info for someone to do their own research to see if the post made is accurate. The detective work of others makes Niantic Wayfarer as accurate as possible. On top of that, no where does Niantic say to leave links or QR codes to support the post being made, and as mentioned in the supplemental information, the QR code can slightly be seen on the pole next to the statue in the photo I gave. Sure it isn’t scannable, but that is just more evidence for the reviewer that the post is in fact a landmark.
Its ur own loss if its rejected. Its reviewer’s job to give as much evidence as possible. Reviewer is doing this review for free. If it looks not permanent and you got rejected, its not on reviewer.
You can disagree all you like. If you are looking for reviewers to support your nominations, the onus is on you to provide them with all the information they need. To put the onus on the reviewer to find the information is only going to lead to your nomination being rejected in certain circumstances. Whilst’s it isn’t a mandatory requirement to put links in the supporting information, it’s in your best interest to add it if it helps your nomination.
I ask earnestly. Does clicking on a posted link to a separate website not constitute as detective work outside of the purview of wayfarer reviewers reasonable process? The written info I provided I feel was enough to prove the post accurate. If others feel as though it is not, I would love for a description they would find acceptable if there was no link to provide.
You providing evidence of its existance can only be used in your favour. An average reviewer doesn’t want to spend 5 to 10 minutes looking for something where it can be done within 1 or 2 minutes if the Nominator provided the link. If you want your nominiation to pass, don’t give the reviewer the opportunity to reject it. I often copy and paste links into a new browser window to verify if something exists. There are multitude of websites that could provide contradictory information to anyones nominations. If you as the nominator provide the evidence and it gets rejected, in a lot of cases it can be used in your favour when you decide to appeal it.
Personally i think its cool frogs. But if its being rejected because it doesnt seems permanent, its submitter job to prove it otherwise. More evidence wont hurt and it will work in your favor. You can try making video on it to show thats its really permanent. I mean, how do we know that the website is real and not some players scheme to make home pokestop in 16 players’ home.
I agree that it is always on the submitter to provide as much information as possible in order for a post to be confirmed as valid or not. I am mainly wondering if there is any other info I can provide outside of a link that would help the reviewer know that the frog is real. The reason why is because the last thing I want to happen is for the post to be remade with the same info, and the only thing different being that the link was added and it still gets denied. Anyway that the nomination support group has in ways of helping this get approved is helpful.
Even if the information is mostly the same but with the addition of the link, then any false rejection is on the reviewers…not on you. If you are able to go back to submit it, I would take a video of the nomination in case you need to appeal it on these forums.
When I’m submitting wayspots, I want the job to be as easy for reviewers as possible, and I also want to show that I’ve done my research and give my nomination the best chance of getting approved.
So if there’s a website that has information about what I’m nominating, or that verifies it exists and that it is what I’m saying it is, then you bet I’ll include that link in my supporting info, as it will be beneficial for me as a submitter, and it will make life for the reviewer so much easier as well.
That QR code obviously links to a resource that explains more about why the frog exists. You mention the QR code, but you don’t provide the information it leads to, so that’s actively hampering your nomination, as you’re then expecting reviewers to try to find that information themselves using a search engine, instead of just giving them easy access to it in the supporting info.
Yea.if it was me, I would fight for this nomination. Personally i would try getting video. Or more link about it. Frankly its very small and it seems removable. On the other note what about the other 15 frogs???
If I were to submit it exactly as you suggest and it gets denied again. How would the video process work? Would I post it in nomination support? Would someone from wayfarer community like an admin be able to reject the rejection?
If you were to appeal it on the Community Forums, you can use it as evidence that it exists. If you provide convincing evidence of its existance, the Niantic Staff who are on these forums can overturn the rejection. But you will need to go through the appeal process on your contributions page first.
I’m still getting my bearings of this specific website. Is there a specific forum that is used for fighting appeals to get accepted? Could I skip the resubmission all together, go outside take a video of the frog, pull on it to show it is permanent and then post it here?
Keister, it looks different on the website. The lily pad was removed at some point. and to answer your other question. Yes many of the other frogs have been approved. Some even through the appeals process.
If you want to appeal it without resubmitting it, I would do it via your Contributions page first. You get 2 Appeals on your Contributions Page every 20 days. In your appeal statement, provide links, and evidence of it’s actual existance. My memory is a bit thin. Not sure if it’s on here or one of the other channels where you can appeal the Niantic rejections of your appeal.
That’s the address it gave me. Don’t know what to tell ya. It is north main street you’re right, but if you have a problem with Niantic pulling the wrong address, take it up with them. This conversation is a bit off topic from what I am trying to gain from this forum.
