Title: Headless Jockey Statue Description: Statue depicting Revolutionary War era myth of “Jocko” who helped to secure George Washington’s horses after crossing the Delaware River. Washington installed a “Jocko” statue at Mt. Vernon and it was copied in the years after for general sale.
Supplemental: Doleman Black Heritage Museum lists the Jocko statue and explains that its history is one of pride. This will be a great addition to the neighborhood as a site to see and meet at. Featured Artifacts | Doleman Black Heritage Museum
Location: Central New Jersey, USA
My rationale: In my opinion, there is no reason why this statue in my apartment building is being considered “not unique” or “appears to be temporary” (that was the criteria that Niantic used to reject the appeal).
This is the third time I’ve tried to submit this stop. I asked folks on reddit and got a lot of feedback to re-craft the submission. This is the latest version, still rejected.
The statue is accessible to the public, there is NO gate or any type of sign saying to keep out. The parking lot is easily accessible to anyone who wants to enter by foot or car or bike.
The statue has been there for 5 years, as I note in the appeal. It is not on private property.
It’s hard to capture that the statue is accessible (ie. showing the parking lot) and have the statue visible, since if I were to take a head on shot, the dumpsters would block the way.
Are you asking because a clearer supplemental shot would help it be accepted?
Your surrounding photo need to show the object. It will help people confirm its location. If its been there for several years, looking into street view will help. I dont know what i am looking at parking lot. I dont even know if its in the same location with your statue
While nominating it says to take a photo of the surrounding area for the supporting photo, the actually should be the POI in the surrounding area, so a wider shot of the POI and more of the area to show where it is. And when it comes to supporting photos, it really doesn’t matter if there are other things in the foreground/background, as those can help place the POI.
Also, this statue looks nothing like the statue in the link you provided. The link you provided shows a different statue with a head on it, not a weathered headless statue. The Doleman Museum is also in Meryland, not NJ, as you are noting as your location. If you provided the full location, we might be able to better look at this for you, and see if it is a replica of the statue at the Doleman Museum or not.
I heard this a lot on reddit. So any mass producing thing would be rejected right away? Why am I bombarded during daily play with poke stops of mass produced, super crappy objects then?
Not necessarily, but does make it harder to get a nomination accepted. Hiking trail markers are mass produced, but since they represent a unique spot on a trail, they are usually seen to meet the criteria for exercise and exploration. Playsets may be mass produced, but set up in a unique area, they provide a destination for exercise, exploration, and being social. Those are a couple of examples that came to mind right away, but there are more. In each case, a mass produced object is used to define a place that is set aside for special purpose. Your headless lawn jockey does not look like it does this.
There is a commonly quoted saying on these forums that you should not use what you see on the map as confirmation that it is acceptable with todays criteria.
Reddit and other social media sites aren’t monitored by the mods and staff like they are here here, so there could be some mis/disinformation on there. If you have any questions about what is being said on any social media site, you’re free to ask here in the forums.
You also have the option to report any Wayspots that you are getting gifts from if you feel that they don’t meet criteria. There is a Reporting Abuse link at the top of the forums that you can use to do this.
Keep in mind that there are sponsored and imported stops/gyms in PoGo, and these may not meet removal criteria. For instance, in the US, McDonald’s and Walmart have sponsorships with PoGo to have stops/gyms at their stores; both companies have paid for these, and they usually have the same image, a Learn More link (not always though), and a pink ribbon to indicate it’s a sponsored stop/gym.
Imports typically do not have images and descriptions, and their titles may have some grammar issues, such as being in all caps. Imports have been imported into the game via a 3rd party database, not from the Wayfarer map. Most imports these days are for Power Spots, but there are some for stops/gyms in different areas, especially in areas sparse with game play locations (India and Indonesia, for example, just had some imports added as Wayspots).
Yeah, sure, but super active Wayfarer folks like yourself must admit that this is an extremely arbitrary and frustrating barrier for entry for newer players yes? And that the goal of Wayfarer altogether is to expand access for the ability to play Niantic games for more players yes?
Not to gatekeep newer players so that they have no access to resources that cr*p poke stops that slipped through afford to people who now have unfair resource advantages over others?
I have zero poke stops in my community. That alone is not a reason to approve mine, absolutely, but it should be a factor.
I’m not trying to create a new garbage stop in the middle of Times Square. I’m in the middle of a rural patch of Central New Jersey.
What is the actual point of being this rigid and uptight about criteria when this could help to nurture the player base here? It’s a statue that is notable in this area. Is it a unique Rembrandt that will stand the test of time? No.
Will it enhance Niantic game play in this area? Yes.
You can just show the screenshot of the location from Contribution Management. You can also share a general location, such as the town or lat/long coordinates.
Please keep the conversation civil and constructive, as we are all trying to help here. Yes, we do know that it can be hard from new users to understand the criteria and guidelines, and we have all had are share of bad nominations when we started. However, we asked for help here, read up on the Wayspot Criteria to know what may or may not be eligible, and got better.
I myself have nominated in both urban and rural areas, and even in the rural areas, I’m still finding new POIs to submit. You may want to check out this thread, as it has a good deal of suggestions for POIs to be on the lookout for, and that may be eligible (I even use it in urban areas, so it kind of helps all over): Tips for Rural Nominators
Please don’t answer for other people because my answer to this is No.
All players should play by the same rules.
The goal is to expand access to more players by adding waypoints that meet criteria.
“Gatekeep” is a word that does not go down well here, we do not “Gatekeep” new players. You could say that we do “Gatekeep” by keeping waypoints that do not meet criteria which is a totally different thing.
Please allow the members above to help find suitable nominations (they are good ). but your location should not be a factor. Everyone is treat the same.
Because without criteria, Niantic should just scrap the “Real World Points of Interest” and stick a spot in the middle of every cell.
Your nomination does not show this. What I am seeing is a broken garden ornament.
Not always, not every player just wants more stops and what if a “Good” nomination is found / created in the same cell and your “broken ornament” is stopping it becoming a stop.
It sounds as though you are having a very frustrating experience so far.
It is not easy if you don’t have much in the area around you, and your attempts to change that are batted back.
It is true that Wayfarer can look as though it is easy. But underneath it all it is quite complex. The wayfinders here will have empathy as we have all been through this learning process and have the bruises to show for it.
And that is why most of us are happy to help.
If you have other possible objects or places please do show us. If you feel comfortable about saying where this town is it will help us to look around and see what our wayfinder eyes see
). but your location should not be a factor. Everyone is treat the same.
