I’m a reviewer from time to time..
For the global challenge, we are still reviewing it from time to time.
Last time, I wrote a post about the reason for rejection of K-12, which I hope will be changed.
The main thing at the time was that even if the school’s fence or wall was completely away from the doorway, approval was not possible because it was a K-12.
So the opinion I raised at the time concluded that the school was large, high and long, and that the local government created an environment with murals on the wall that had nothing to do with the entrance, and many people used the walk, but even that could not be approved because it was a K-12.
Among Wayspot candidates I’ve seen during the review…
The school consists of a fence and there is no wall.
However, there are murals and paintings on the wall on the other side of the road.
I don’t think it’s fair to be a candidate for Wayspot because this is not included in the K-12 school.
Would it be fair if the school’s border fence or wall could not have murals and the murals and paintings on the other side of the walk could be candidates?
Of course, the standards will vary from country to country, so I am fully aware of the rejections common to Team Wayfarer’s K-12.
However, I don’t understand that in the above situation, the wall paintings and paintings on the wall on the opposite side of the school’s border, not the fence and wall, are candidates for Wayspot.
I think Wayspot candidates need some improvement on the fence or wall paintings of K-12.
I am attaching a picture that I drew myself for your reference.
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I totally agree with you in principle, as long as you can reach the waypoint without going on the school grounds I see no problem.
I think Niantic created the rules to fix 1 problem and sometimes created others 
I was recently walking past a school where there is a Gym on the opposite side of the service road. Managed to jump in to a raid with all the parents waiting at the school gate 
I made a similar post regards Single Family houses. House with plaque = No, Convert in to 4 flats = Yes.
Maybe with the split of PoGo and Ingress the rule that you must be able to walk right up may be changed by scopely.
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I would make an even wider perimeter around K-12 locations so that the game location interaction radius does not extend onto school property if it were up to me.
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Yeah, they need to rethink schools. Playgrounds and various sports facilities on school grounds should be allowed as long as they are accessible to the general public on a regular basis and as long as reachable from the outside. This is a very common setup in some European countries.
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I would like to thank everyone who participated in the discussion.
I hope Wayfarer team will also be interested in this matter.
I think it is clearly wrong for murals installed by local governments to be rejected just because they are walls or fences at the boundary point corresponding to K-12, which are not related to the school’s front and back gates at all.
And it is clear that children need to be protected more in the age of low birthrates and aging populations worldwide, but it is open to the general public in relation to various sports facilities and pavilions in the school playground, and the school playground after school or on weekends is open to any local resident. I don’t know what other countries are like, but I think it is wrong to apply the K-12 standard in some countries around the world and needs to be improved.
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Agree with you. Schools are supposed to be safe places for children, and allowing Wayspots on the outside fencing or walls around a school could make them less safe, could even cause school staff to get suspicious of whoever is lingering around and call police on them, or send out the school officer.
I don’t think Wayfarer should allow Wayspots to be allowed on the outer fencing or walls of a school. Not all schools even have these, but people in the area know the boundaries of the schools, and most know to not hang around schools while they are in session.
The safety and security of the children need to be of the upmost concern heree, so I don’t see this changing anytmie soon. Maybe not all countries have issues with those that are not lawfully allowed to be around schools being around them, but there re other countries where this happens. I even worked in an after school program at one time, and we had a list of parents/guardians that we were never to let the kids go with, many because of that parent/guardian being known to be abusive or use illegal drugs around their kids.
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I have to disagree with this.
I do not have kids but I live about 20 metres from the school gates. I am often outside when the kids are going in to or out of school. Does this mean I am a danger to them???
As you state, kids are as likely (maybe even more so) to be in danger from family members.
Are people meant to route any journeys (especially on foot) to avoid passing schools?
If I am going on to school property then that is suspicious. Outside the grounds is not suspicious unless there is other circumstances.
Maybe its me, I was brought up at a time when I was sent to the shops from the age of about 5, I crossed roads on my own. A few years later we would set of to the woods after dinner and return when the street lights came on. I spoke to strangers to say Hello…
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there is a massive issue in the US with school shootings. players should not be hanging out outside schools.
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I grew up being able to go around my hometown on my own without supervision, but we were also taught about “stranger danger” while in school, those that may lurk about a school and want to cause harm. These people are still out there, still lurking around schools looking to do something bad. They may even follow a child walking home or elsewhere after they leave school.
Even the outside ground are suppose to be safe spaces for the kids, especially as many times they are used for the kids to get some outdoor activities in, to play on the playground, even areas to eat lunch. Outdoor spaces at schools get used by kids, and these tend to be the areas that these “strangers” lurk the most around. There’s usually a good number of staff outside with the kids during these times, so they are on the lookout for anything suspicious.
A person simply walking by a school isn’t suspicious, but a person hanging around a Wayspot to play a game may be seen as such. If someone is battling at a gym in PoGo, for instance, it takes them a long time to beat the opposing mon in it, that could be seen as suspicious to staff.
I agree that the US has an Issue as just one shooting is 1 too many but I don’t think that it should stop people walking past a school or even taking a break, it definately doesn’t round here in the UK.
I would not expect a shooter to hang about outside the school playing PoGo.
As I stated above I took a break from walking whilst passing a school as I knew there was a gym on the other side of the service road (I think I even leant on the school fence). I then noticed that several parents waiting at the gates where starting a raid so I jumped in. Once sorted I continued past them. At no time did I consider I was under suspension.
If it was just a safety issue so nobody can use the excuse “I was just playing PoGo” then surely the “No Waypoint” area should be the school grounds + distance you can react with it + a bit for luck.
South Korea is a country where shootings cannot take place. It is not allowed.
It’s something that should never happen, but not long ago, there was an accident where a teacher killed a student..
As I said above, we need a common standard, but I think we should think twice about applying the same standard to all countries.
I don’t understand why I have to worry about a crime that hasn’t even happened yet.
Do shootings only happen in schools? Do kidnappings only happen in schools? The precondition that unfamiliar POGO users will open fire and kidnap at school seems wrong.
I thought K-12 was denied because of school interruptions, possible accidents and emergencies for lower-grade students. A college for adults is allowed, but why not elementary, middle and high schools? Then shouldn’t minors who enter early be protected from crime?
It’s even harder to understand why schools can’t be used in games that are available to all ages because of crime in the first place.
However, if the reason why K-12 went in is the same as above, I think it needs to be changed. Crimes can happen anywhere.
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And the common standard is the safety and security of the students under 18 at these places. Yes, even in countries where gün$ are not as accessible, like you noted, violent events can still happen at a school. And like I noted, “stranger danger” can happen almost anywhere in the world; a bad person can linger around a school anywhere.
Therefore, since safety and security is of the upmost importance, and since Wayfarer or any of the games do not want to be held liable for someone playing at a school and possibly doing something unlawful, schools are off limits, including the fencing and walls. I don’t think they would want to go to court and/or dish out a large sum of money if somethung like this would happen, and Wayfarer/the games were found liable.
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I’m telling you the same thing, but some exceptions are needed for the criteria.
If the school is large and exists as shown in the picture above, do you agree that it should be possible as a Wayspot candidate because the mural on the other side of the walk is not a boundary point? If Wayspot is approved here, will it have nothing to do with the safety and security of the student?
And it’s just the boundary of the school, and the local government decorated murals to make sure that the wall that is several times taller than a person’s height is not empty, but it doesn’t make sense that you can’t be a candidate because you’re just at the boundary point corresponding to K-12..
However, it makes sense to hear that the Wafarer game was legally found to be responsible. However, it seems difficult to prove that the problem necessarily occurred because of Wayfarer.
Oh, and as I mentioned above, I thought the academic problems of the lower grades were a part of the K-12. But if it’s safety and security… why not just the safety and security of children under 18? POGO is not even an adult-only game.. Most of POGO’s users are lower-grade kids, adults, and their parents. If I say this, Wayfarer will say it has nothing to do with POGO..
And in Korea, it may not be a weekday, but on weekends when many users are active, all elementary, middle and high schools are open, so you can freely use aerobic exercise or various exercise equipment through running from early in the morning, and likewise, it is used as various events and parking lots.
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Schools in the US may be open to the public after school or on the weekends, but their main purpose is a school for children, so there’s no exception around that.
No expectations should be granted just because it’s different in another part of the world. The criteria is to be enforced globally. An exception for South Korea cannot be made if it can’t be applied to the US, the UK, Europe, etc.
This isn’t the first time someone has suggested this, and most times, it’s agreed that it isn’t a good idea, especially for the safety and security concerns that are addressed.
I understand what you mean.
If so, there is a school like the attached file picture.
Based on walking, one side is a school and the other is just a wall.
Walls are not included in the school’s boundaries.
K-12 is only related to safety and security to the school’s boundaries.
So the murals on the wall are candidates for Wayspot, right?
The walls and fencing are part of the safety and security protocols for the schools; they are meant to keep those that aren’t supposed to be at the school out. So, no, murals on them should not be accepted.
This most likely isn’t going to changed based solely on what it’s like in 1 country.
Why can’t the mural on the wall, not the school’s boundary point, be a candidate for Wayspot? It’s not a boundary point. It’s also a contradiction. The other side is not related to the school’s boundary point.
I just got a similar picture while I was reviewing it.
The left fence is the school and the right fence is just the wall of a regular housing complex.
Is it true that the painting on the wall of the general housing complex cannot be a candidate for Wayspot as a mural? Just in time, this is a location that is not related to the entrance of the school.
It’s just a walkway between the place at the school border and the complex on the other side, but does this have anything to do with the school?
The wall is on school grounds, plain and simple as that.
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Yes, I know.
This is just an example.
Think of this as a picture to show that there are wall paintings on the other side of the wall for the beautification of the environment.
If so, should it be approved?
If it’s not at the K-12 school border point, it’s on the other side of the foot like the picture, and it’s obviously a mural on the trail.
I’m done here, as you just want to have the last word at this point, and keep arguing, even though you know the criteria most likely won’t be changed.
