I would just like to see what the ambos have to say. I’m getting a little tired of going round and round with this topic, which isn’t even a part of what the original poster is talking about.
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On the old forum we were told that the intended use of that text box is NOT as “Other Rejection Criteria” but I can’t link that now.
We were also told to pick one of the first four questions to reject a nomination. I choose the closest one. That is not lying.
I do like the idea of having to go through a couple of clicks to say that something “Doesn’t Meet Criteria,” and I do want that checkbox to be made available and added to the review.
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Okay so I wasnt misremembering that we were told not to use that other reason box for doesn’t meet critiera
Maybe it doesnt feel like lying to you but it does to me. I can understand the reasoning but it doesn’t mean I agree or that I would do it myself.
So I am attempting to reject by saying no to the 3 criteria questions untill we get a proper “does not meet critiera”.
If that means Im a bad reviewer then so be it. I’m kind of ready to quit after this challenge anyway
I actually don’t understand why saying yes to the first 4 and no to the last 3 means accept. Its like its designed to ensure safe but ineligible items get accepted lol, which wouldn’t be the case… so it just makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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Fair enough and I’ll keep that in mind. To me what felt like the most helpful and honest way on some submissions to reject them was to be able to type in more exact reasoning (which currently I only saw under accuracy). In the older system, if I choose “does not meet criteria” I added in a reason as well in the optional blank box.
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Yeah it was always a shame submitters never got to see anything we wrote in that box. It would have been nice to make helpful suggestions, albeit I’m sure it would have had potential for nastiness which is likely the reason thry were never shown
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oh the wayback machine had the link:
The “and High Quality” confused many reviewers as they chose to incorrectly reject nominations where they felt the candidate itself was low quality
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cyndiepooh and frealafgb that’s good information to consider, thank you, and I apologize if I deter this question a bit.
Also frealafgb, I’m with you on probably needing a break.
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and as much as I like to think I’m not in a rural area - it is at least semi-rural. But I actually have my home location set to my area and bonus location set to the even more rural state next to me. And it’s a battle sometimes to find good nominations to approve and others to use my best judgment and yes, sometimes wishing I could help people understand the criteria a bit better to hopefully help them out on future submissions.
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Me too
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Echoing what many others are saying on this thread — Niantic should absolutely add back an option for “does not meet criteria” that ends the review flow. Right now reviewers have to reject such nominations by picking incorrect rejection reasons (eg “not permanent and distinct”, or “generic business”) or thumbs down-ing the last socialize/exercise/exploration questions and hope that means the POI won’t be added (I don’t think we have confirmation that thumbs down-ing the last three questions even translates to a rejection). I’m all in favor of making it so that the “does not meet criteria” option requires a hand typed explanation but the option needs to be there in some form.
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This explains A LOT. My rating has recently gone down, and I couldn’t work out why. But there are lots of reviews where I was rejecting on the 3 criteria BUT answered those first 4 honestly - often as not they were permanent, accurate, safe and appropriate. But then I’d say no to all 3 of socialise, exercise and explore because it didn’t fit with those.
It sounds now like those didn’t count as rejections from me, whereas I though it had to be positive to the top 4 AND 1 or more the bottom 3.
It would be really nice if this were communicated more clearly to people reviewing - not everyone visits this forum, and even if you do, you might not see things like that!
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I think Niantic wants us to thumbs up the first four, thumbs down the next three, and select yes/no on all possible categories. Then let them decide if it becomes a Wayspot or not. Presumably, thumbs down for criteria would prevent it from being on the map UNLESS there was nothing else on the map for kilometers - then it’d at least be something.
But, as a volunteer contributor, it gets VERY OLD to have to do 10-14 clicks on a trash can or something obviously ineligible. Over and over. Especially when I’m doubtful if Niantic is going to put as much thought into it as I did, what kind of thoughts they’ll apply, or if they’ll be informed by my 10 clicks at all.
I think it’d make sense as an option under “Accuracy”.
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I don’t really have something to add. Personally, and keep in mind is not something official that you have the obligation to follow, I use the not distinct rejection for most of the memorial benches when they don’t explain why I should accept the nomination. I think is legitimate to decide to use this rejection option and also is legitimate to decide to not use it.
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I have been saying for some time that more and better reasons are needed to feed back to submitters, this being just one major example of something that is lacking.
I just had a rejection for “Other Rejection Criteria”, this is supremely unhelpful, how am I supposed to improve my submissions or learn what makes a good wayspot is I am not even told which “Other” criteria this does not meet. Which selection was made by reviewers to show this message to me and why is it so vague?
As far as I am aware, after all this time, there has still been no official word if selecting thumbs down on the 3 criteria option actually counts as an accept or rejection, this is such a basic part of the workflow that routinely causes so much confusion and desperately needs transparency.
A simple option to choose that something meets no criteria would improve things immensely with the added bonus that this could be communicated to the submitter to educate and prevent further frustration. Similarly options could be added for reasons that come up for common rejections also.
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Absolutely this!
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Added second version to original post. Includes feedback field to nomination submitter also.
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Niantic is not going to send user feedback directly to submitters.
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Good to know. I will remove that from original post.
Just want to pop in and say they are not categorically ineligible. If the person being nominated was notable, and the nominator writes a good description with reputable supporting info/links to back it up, they can be eligible. I know that’s not quite what the point of this thread is, but I wanted to raise my hand, so to speak, that they are not ineligible across the board.
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I think it would definitely help a bit, newer players don’t always know the rules just yet