I give up on Wayfarers

I give up.

All my nominations keep getting rejected, and I honestly don’t understand why.

Example 1:

The public Beach Sportpark — which is unique for its pressed sand flooring and used daily by hundreds of people — has now been rejected twice for being “not accessible,” which is simply not true.

Example 2:

The mural on my public hotel was denied because it’s “not on public or private property,” even though other hotels have simple logo signage approved as Wayfarer spots.

It also says again wrong location. Well all my submissions are exact Location.

Example 3:

My own café was rejected for “not being permanent.” Of course it’s permanent! Yet sari-sari shops and tarpaulin signs are accepted without issue.

I’ve submitted unique art, a unique sports court, and a place for people to socialize. All got disapproved. Then I log back into my game and see the only two Wayfarer spots in my area don’t even meet the criteria after reviewing the guidelines.

It’s already hard enough to play in remote areas without proper spots — and I can’t even contribute to improving it.

To make it worse, my first submission for one location was rejected for “location not accurate.” So I tried again, adding detailed supporting photos showing the surroundings. Both locations are easy to identify on satellite maps or Google Street View.

Result? 6 out of 6 submissions, all meeting the stated criteria, got denied.

I’m done.

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@Fipz

Lots of rejections is a disheartening experience :people_hugging:

You are doing the right thing by seeking advice and support here.

If you can, I think it’s worth that you keep trying.

Perhaps focus on one such as the basketball court - I think that needs a better photo but should otherwise be ok.

We can continue to work on that one in that topic?

No it’s frustrating.

If the reviewers take their job a bit more serious it doesn’t waste so much of my time.

I go there I make pictures and do a nice description so that people disapprove it saying it’s a wrong location.

And now all the people who voted for disapproval will even get points on their account for it.

It’s a joke.

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It can be difficult, but when you get a rejection the best thing to do is step back and look at the submission to see what is wrong with it. If you are getting lots of rejections, this is much more likely to be issues with your submissions than with reviewers being lazy.

I’ve had rejections that I disagree with, but I have to accept it. I either resubmit exactly as is, improve the submission because I can see what caused people to dislike it, or move on to something else because I can see that the community disagrees that that POI is valid.

Sometimes a poor photo is sufficient to get a good wayspot rejected. Most people most of the time with most things will make an immediate judgement call and it is hard to get them to change that. (Not just wayspots, all aspects of life.) So if you can step back and evaluate the photo, you may see a way to improve the submission.

Reviewers generally see the photo first, then the title, then the description. If any of these cause them to dislike the submission, some reviewers will check themselves and see if it is actually valid, but some will just reject. As the submitter, is it your job to make the submission as good as possible given how humanity operates.

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I will just add that I see it as implausible that a group of people that are unlikely to know each other are all going to “Reject” just for the points.

Surely it would be more sensible to Vote as you see the nomination on the understanding that other people are likely to do the same.

You state that Location has been the issue, could you supply the longitude / latitude co-ordinates as shown on the email when you nominated.

If people got together to review submissions (review circle), they would use that effort to approve their own invalid submissions, not to deliberately reject random submissions. :sweat_smile:

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Does it have street view or satelite view?

If it doesnt have, you need to use gps tagged photo to prove it, or your surrounding photo need to include any landmark visible from satelite.

There are many people missplacing wayspot submission so that location become critical. If you cant provide enough evidence of its location, the burden is on submitter, not reviewer.

Personally i have hundreds of rejection of 11 years of submission. Dont let rejection discouraged you.

Maaring tignan ang review process bilang larong gumagamit ng komunikasyon. At dito, maaring merong disconnect sa naipapakita mo at nakikita ng mga reviewers. Mayroon ka pang pwedeng ma-improve sa iyong sariling presentasyon, isa na roon yung mga supporting information mo.

Yes :slight_smile:

5/6 Submissions say “Wrong Location” and “Not Permanent”.

A Mural is Permanent. My Cafe Branches are ESTD 2018 (see logo) and the Beach Court is there since the late 90’s. So on my second submission I even ask them to google it and then it got disapproved for not accessible lol.

So what can I do better?

I did it. On my second submission which got disapproved I showed the road (the only road). Also it’s very easy to spot the Beach Court for example.

The rejection reason reviewers can select is asking for if it is Permanent and Distinct, the result reason only says Not permanent. You got tricked by this mismatched reasoning, your issue is more likely that reviewers thought your nominations are not complying with Exploration, Exercise or Socialising criteria for some of your examples

I am replying from email so can’t see the whole thread, but with “not permanent” you hit one of the problems with the review process.

This rejection is actually: Not “Permanent AND Distinct” meaning it gets selected for any of the following

  • rejected as temporary
  • rejected as not distinct
  • rejected because they felt it didn’t meet any criteria (*)

This last one is important. If a reviewer wants to reject a submission (they feel in their opinion that it should be rejected not just skipped), they need to explicitly reject it as doing a thumbs down on social + exercise + explore is not a rejection (!)

The most common way to reject something that exists, is to reject as not distinct by clicking No to “permanent and distinct”. This is official Niantic advice.

So I take the “temporary” failure as meaning the reviewers felt it didn’t meet any criteria (*)

If you post full details, I or someone else could look it over and suggest what might have caused that. For each submission:

  • image
  • supporting image
  • title
  • description
  • supporting text
  • location (from the submission email, e.g., “50.1234, -4.5678”)

When making submissions that you genuinely think meet criteria and are interesting, it is disheartening to get rejections, but plenty of people here are willing to help.

Some things might simply be ineligible and finding out why is helpful. Some need a better submission. Some might need an appeal. Some (very few) might have been unlucky and just want a resubmission.

(*) this previously said “didn’t like”, which was careless phrasing.

This is skewed information. Reviewers are not instructed to reject a nomination they “dont like”.

Sorry, that was shorthand for the following:

“Reviewers don’t like” meaning submissions that a reviewer does not think meets criteria and should not be accepted as a wayspot, but isn’t something which they personally dislike but know others would accept (e.g., a trail marker) because that should be skipped. It is something they want to explicitly reject.

I just felt my message was already too verbose and didn’t realise that phrase could be misinterpreted, which I should have. I will edit the post above when I am not on the road.

Please share this nomination then let us see if there is anything can be improved .

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And yet it happens all the time anyway. I’ve got dozens of rejected trail markers to prove it.

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Trail markers has something special about them that will almost never be resolved.

Reviewers reject them for not being permanent or unique which is reasonable to think, but not the right decision unfortunately.

I have already submitted over 70+ trail markers in a little less than a month so unfortunately I know what you are going through. Try to appeal them and for me that has always worked.

Yeah, I’m getting them approved on appeal quite consistently, but at the pace of 2 every 15 days, it’ll take me FOREVER.

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