My hometown has a mountain trail leading to a sanctuary located inside a grotto that’s been a place of worship since at least the 13th century. It’s obviously one of the main reasons to visit the town, and the trail leading to it can only be travelled on foot, so it’s perfect for exercise and exploration. The only problem is that the markers placed along the way are pretty underwhelming and generic, and they’re also very similar to typical italian signs indicating tourist/historic locations (white font on brown background). I tried nominating a couple of them but they got rejected, and then I appealed one of the rejections but to no avail. Should I try again or are these just too generic to be eligible? Included are the text from my latest nomination, some pictures to show the signs and one of the common tourist signs to show the (minimal) differences. Thanks in advance to anyone who’ll contribute their thoughts!
Title: Segnavia per l’Eremo di Sant’Angelo
Description: Cartello su percorso escursionistico
Additional info: Può sembrare un normale cartello turistico ma si nota che il font è diverso, è stato commissionato appositamente dal comune come segnavia. Il santuario rupestre di Sant’Angelo è una grande attrazione turistica locale raggiungibile esclusivamente a piedi tramite un sentiero di montagna. Questi segnavia posti lungo il cammino fungono da trailmarker per i camminatori. Seguire il sentiero è un’ottima occasione per esplorare il territorio
Oh, sorry. I actually don’t know how to translate the word rupestre, closest I can come up with is “cave-related”. Let’s say it’s “grotto sanctuary - Saint Angel”
Well, Wayfarer Criteria typically means it was rejected by ML, and the email will say it was rejected by “our team”. I’d recommend when you submit it, take it before submitting the nomination so you can crop it by choosing an existing photo when you review it (the option will be at the bottom if you submit via pogo).
I’m not sure I understand correctly, are you saying if I make my submission with existing pictures I can bypass ML’s review? If that’s the case, I already did so for the second nomination, but it still got rejected
The original rejection wasn’t Wayfarer criteria - that is in the message from the appeals team.
Edit - Oops there are two nominations and one does say that - I only looked at the top one. Sorry for getting confused. But that one has two reasons and usually ML only has the one, so maybe it was internal review?
I believe they are telling you that this does NOT appear to be what we refer to as a trail marker, just a regular traffic sign. Here is a clarification on those, and yours looks more like the ineligible one that is last than the others.
I am not familiar with what trail markers look like where you are, so will let others help you decide if this is worth resubmitting.
There are too many things we are talking about and I am getting confused. Of all the photos you posted, I think this one is the most clearly marking a pedestrian path.
Oh most people could follow your post, but I get lost in long ones. No worries.
This is intended to say that just because all the trail markers look alike, they are still eligible because they keep you on the trail - as long as it isn’t the same trail marker pinned in different locations.
The appeals rejections don’t always mean exactly what they say, but I think they were trying to tell you that these look like regular signs for traffic on a road. If you try to resubmit, you will need to make it clear that these are for people who are walking. I am not sure how to tell you to do that. But this looks like it is alongside a normal street to my eyes
I am going to hit enter now so I can see what I wrote.
This is very helpful, thank you. If that’s the case this might be quite hard; The signs are there to lead from the town centre to the mountain trail, so obviously some of them are placed alongside regular asphalt roads.
The first picture that you posted with the submission does not appear to be a trail marker. It appears to be a directional sign, pointing you to the church, which would not be eligible as a marker. The second sign that you posted as the individual photo is much more clearly a trail marker, given that it has a picture of people hiking on it. Just looking at what you posted, I would say the two signs are not of the same genre and the first one really doesn’t look like a true trail marker to me…
The irony obviously being that the signs I nominated point to a cave that’s 8 kilometers away from the nearest town and the sign with the picture of the people walking points to St. Peter’s in Rome, which must be the exact opposite of that
I looked it up on Google maps and the church is clearly in the middle of the woods. I wonder if you could incorporate something like that for the supporting photo.
Your suggestion got me thinking so I had a look on some trekking apps, many of them have stellar reviews of the place and show that the route clearly crosses the town. I will try again incorporating these infos, failing that, uhhh… I guess I’ll cry? Thanks again for your tips! Appreciate it.
I think with items like this, it is really down to the submitter to show the value ofnit, and keep trying if they believe in it
This isnt the kind of item where its categorically inelgible and would get you into issues for repeatedly nominating - and from what has been shared here I’d be happy to vote for it given the exercise involved in getting to the landmark it points to!
So if you believe in it, keep trying it in different ways ie try to keep improving the nomination and eventually you may be able to get it approved
I spent 10 nominations on a wooden footbridge at an entrance into a park because I felt it was good enough to becine a waypoint and eventually enough people agreed with me.
Update: poi accepted on appeal! I added to the second nomination links to websites showing the trail, and then I appealed the community rejection arguing that the main point of focus should be the trail and not the sign itself. I’m really happy about this and I couldn’t have done it without your suggestions! Thanks for all the help guys
