Rejected Nomination for Historical Building

Hi, this nomination was rejected by EMily, it is an historical building (certified by the ministery of culture, i attached the certification link of the palace). Thank you in advance

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What was your description and supporting information? The ML system does not just use the photo - the text is used as well.

Historic buildings are generally eligible but are not automatically accepted. Simple being old does not necessarily make a building worthy of exploration. The submitter has to make a good case, just as for lots of other wayspot submissions. Proving that the building is historic proves it is historic, not that it is something people explore.

No it got bombed for the photo being too orange. In Italy only buildings with cultural and artistic value can entered this catalogue. https://beniculturali.comune.trieste.it/architettura/?s_id=366203
you should be able to translate this in english

You don’t know why it got rejected by the ML system. I have never heard of photos being rejected for containing orange.

Without your description, it is hard for anyone else to comment on what might have caused the auto-rejection.

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It rejects all nomination with too much of the same colour, it has been proven over and over since it got reactivated

I’d love to see evidence for that, because no-one has said that before. Photos that have too much greenery are often rejected, but that is a very specific case and it isn’t the colour, but the contents. “Greenery” means vegetation, grass, leaves, countryside in general, not just the colour green.

Your photo is not “ORANGE”. It has subtle orange hues.

It is very likely your submission was rejected because the narrative did nothing to say this building was worthy of being a wayspot.

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Hi @Tyranystraszx
I’ve moved your topic to Nomination Support because the category Wayspot Appeals is for appealing rejected removal requests or to ask for reinstating removed wayspots.
You can appeal through your contribution page if you have currently an appeal available. You’ve two of them each with a 15 day timer to refresh.

We tested out with Parks, when only photo was active on EMily it rejected any nomination with the predominant color green, same for volleyball fields or football fields if the picture contained too much of the same color or gradient. Insta rejection in less than 4-5 hours

ML is trained to review all aspects of any contribution not just the dominant color. Sounds like a coincidence to me.

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Why would you assume that it is the color green the ML model is rejecting for? With those things you describe, i would assume it only detected natural surroundings, not a point of interest.

The ML model appears to reject at about 24 hours after submitting, not 4-5 hours. The clock seems to start ticking when the nomination is made, so may seem like less time if “upload later” is used.

There is such a thing as “insta rejection” when there is an upload issue with the photo that is more of a technical thing than I can understand, but this is not an ML rejection.

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Because after several dozens of insta-rejections by ML (that’s what the rejection criteria says), we tied them to the colour issue, it’s not only parks (even if they are the most nuked thing by ML), but also for example fountains painted in green, volleyball fields getting rejected for the monochroma orange. Predominant colour is often the rejection reason, example a info panel with limpid clear blue sky in the background, instarejected in less than 24h. Same one with same description etc, but sky cropped out, no rejection. Keep in mind this was tested during only photo as said in Emily down post by Niantic.

i do not understand this sentence

We tested the issue of the bot rejecting proposals for colour when Niantic posted on eMily Down Thread, that only the photo rejection was working

You are complaining a lot about colour, but are declining to provide your description so that anyone else can see whether that might be the cause of the rejection. That strongly suggests that the description, combined with the object of the photo (historical building) was the cause of the auto-rejection.

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Interesting though it is about what Emily likes and doesn’t like in general, that element one the conversation is not progressing.

Can we return to the topic which is about this particular nomination.

It does appear to be an interesting building.

You can appeal this, it doesn’t seem to be that you currently have an appeal available. You have 2 appeal slots and after you have made an appeal it takes 15 days for that slot to refresh.
You can if you prefer resubmit, and if you provide the full nomination we can offer our views on improving it.

From the first link: CURRENT USE Tertiary-managerial - office; Commercial - shop; Catering - bar

If there is a bar on the ground floor (I couldn’t see it on streetview) then that could be a good proxy submission for the building.

I had a quick scout on streetview at 45.656115, 13.771937. Nearly every building looks like this. Grand, historic, nice detail etc.

I see a keystone / plaque / tablet type thing at the apex. perhaps that is something to focus on rather than the whole building.

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Well spotted.

It would need a decent non-blurry photo, which is going to be tricky given how high up it is.

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Very true, though most modern phone cameras have good zooms. The image doesn’t have to be huge considering how much the app compresses them.

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