Rejected Nominations with 'generic' denial messege

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  • Wayspot Title: Gostilna pri Kranjcu Welcome Sign, Kava bar Fontana

  • Location (lat/lon): (45.961102, 14.288773) (46.086917, 14.514842)

  • City: Vrhnika, Ljubljana

  • Country: Slovenia, Slovenia

  • Screenshot of the Rejection Email (do not include your personal information):

  • Additional Information (if any): Even though submitting an appeal, I got same rejected messege as they did not took time to review my explanation. I think both are longstanding and meaningful and make a great hanging spot. ‘‘Gostilna pri Kranjcu welcome sign’’ is significant for it’s traditional slovenian food, while ‘‘Kava bar Fontana’’ is famous for it’s Fountain that gives a nice breeze during the hot summer days.

Hey,

Firstly, WaySpot Appeal is for Appealing wayspot report or restoring wayspot that is being removed.

Second, there is no method of appealing an appeal, but can you submit full submission in here so we can help you on improving the submission. Seem like the second submission have potiental.

Hello!
First of all I’m sorry for a mixup in the categories. I thought that was the right one.

Thanks for taking time to help, soo there is the rest of the submission which you think it has potential :slight_smile:

I partially agree with their decision on the first one as it lacks unique-ness, but it is still a good place to hang out I’d say, but speaking of the ‘‘Kava Bar Fontana’’ I also think the place has potential as there is a fountain

what about full supporting photo and information, can I see it too?

Oh I left out the supporting information, but I can say it wasn’t very ‘‘supportive’’
It reads: ‘‘Public use! a place to hang and enjoy some company.’’

As for the supporting photo it is already visible on the above picture. And the picture of the place is on the original post’s picture :stuck_out_tongue:

I think that’s probably the problem, you can work out better for your Description and Supporting.

  1. While I think the nomination is good, if I am a blind reviewer and I read your description / supporting info, I will just think you submitting a generic business. Everyone saying “this is a good cafe shop” and not emphasis much on why is this a good cafe shop.

  2. You should emphasis heavily on the “event” and “music” in your description, like you are writing a welcome message to invite people into a restaurant / cafe. A sample I can use like this

Located in Ljubijana, this is a famous cafe shop that hosts musical events and inviting special guest for people to come. The coffee shop also serve good coffee and hot chocolate drink, perfect for a rest and hangout between people within the town.
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P/s: my grammar is bad, forgive me.

  1. The supporting info you should emphasis more on the socializing, like why is this a great place to social

This particular coffee shop is a great place to socialize → Because host music event → Generating great time together as a social hub. [Can be a great place to explore]

Link is allowed in supporting info, so put both google map rating (if any) and your facebook page.

I don’t think the appeal will get overtuned, but I like the submission and you can attempt to resubmit.

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As for the first one, a simple google search can be enough to solve the problem.

The title is welcome sign, so you are submitting the sign and not the restaurant itself. I think the title can be work out(removing Welcome Sign) but I might be wrong

May I verify if this is the correct location?

It have 855 rating and 4,7 stars.

There are also some additional link I found

  1. https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g1439517-d4357713-Reviews-Pri_Kranjcu-Vrhnika_Inner_Carniola_Region.html

good rating on Tripadvisor, which is rare.

  1. An official website

Maybe you can use it, if the location is correct.

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Okay that sounds great! Thanks a lot for helping me with that!
I often struggle writing a review and it ends up just a long text of more or less useless informations. You also set a good example how it should be rephrased and I’ll try my best to submit the places that way!
I have a little bit of hope for the submission to be overturned as I am not nearby the place and I will not be able to resubmit it, but this will definitely help me to provide the additional information for my future submissions!

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I do write up something 3 days ago on how to write a nice description and supporting information. The guide is probbaly not too great but I hope it will help.

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About the location, the lon/lat that I provided is the one that’s right where the ‘‘welcome sign’’ is located.
As for the place, you’ve found it, correct. But if I remmember correctly, I think the place has already a wayspot on it’s own and I was trying to submit it’s welcome sign as it’s nearby the place, but not exaclty the same location.
Do you think that’s a valid submission of such welcome signs for the places? I thought it was alright since one of the wayspot submission categories is ‘‘Welcome sign’’.

If you submit the sign,it should be treated seperately and it would usually be “artistic” to be considered, or at least have something that is a great place to be explore in my opinion

The submission categories aren’t at all indications that things are acceptable. Schools is one of the categories, and K-12 schools are wholly ineligible. They’re a tagging system, but not meant to be a guide to what is alright or even good to accept.

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Oh I didn’t know that categories outside acceptance criteria exists.
Welcome signs are eligible right?

The idea of categorical eligibility isn’t the best framework for viewing things. Like, statues are eligible, generally, but if the statue’s in the middle of a roundabout with no crosswalk for access to it, it’s not going to be an acceptable waypoint.

What you really need to focus on is the criteria. Can you explain what would make this specific welcome sign…

  • A great place to explore? (a place you would have a reason to go venture to, on its own merit)
  • A great place to socialize? (a place you’d have a reason to hang out with friends)
  • A great place to exercise? (a place you would go walking or otherwise participate in exercise activities)

Most welcome signs, in my experience, aren’t. They may signpost another place that does–it’s the thing they welcome you to, that tends to have merit as a waypoint, and there are circumstances when a welcome sign anchors that. For example, taking a picture of a welcome sign at a park that’s a great place to socialize and exercise is better than taking a picture of a big empty greenspace. But in a lot of cases, the signs themselves aren’t a particular point of interest.

Does that make sense?

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Ohh that makes much more sense.. Soo in the acceptance category would be for example:
A sign that welcomes you to the park, as you can excersise there…

Yes, you’ve got it. Or like, a “Welcome to Downtown Cityname” sign, because it marks the whole downtown as a place to explore.

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Most signs are just “anchors” for the actual point of interest (in this case the restaurant).

Even if you image the sign you should still place the pin at the Restaurant so in your case it sounds like Reviewers would Reject as Duplicate if the Restaurant is already a waypoint.

The exceptions are when the sign is “Artistic” enough to be eligible in itself using the “Explore” criteria. IMO: This is not the case with this one.

I disagree with this, although I have seen others say the same. If the sign is the focal point of the main photo submitted, I feel the pin should be at the sign. Hoping staff will weigh in, especially considering all the misplacement warnings we have seen on here lately.

To be clear, I agree with the previous conversation that a sign and the point of interest it represents not being eligible separately in most cases. There is guidance on that:

Should the sign for a Wayspot nomination be marked as a duplicate if there is already a Wayspot for the object the sign represents?

If the sign is a significant distance from the object then it should be considered on its own. If it is close, such as with a church sign and a nearby church building, then it should be marked as a duplicate.
https://wayfarer.nianticlabs.com/new/help/wayfarer-faq

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If I nominated a sign, I would pin the sign. If I nominated the building, I’d pin the building.

I really dislike the idea of taking a picture of a sign to represent a building, so I would probably just put the sign into my supporting picture if I needed to and focus on the building for the main image. It depends on how the nomination works. Some buildings might be harder than others.

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