What is important is how many groupings would be using them at the same time.
One grouping - SFPRP
Multiple groupings - not SFPRP
What is important is how many groupings would be using them at the same time.
One grouping - SFPRP
Multiple groupings - not SFPRP
I do think that SFPRP is something that is currently misunderstood quite widely by reviewers, who then mis-use that rejection reason on perfectly eligible places.
For example, a spa I visit frequently, which is accessible to anyone who pays a membership fee or buys a ticket to visit for the day. If only my house was a spa with that many pools, right?!
I also got a private property rejection for a nomination at an enormous airport. So whatever clarifications and information is available is clearly not getting the message across.
Personally I think rather than the rejection reason saying “private property” it should say “single family private residential property”. Then it would be much, much clearer
Then again, AirBnB is a Buisness. Whoever books the room does not own it…
Things aren’t as clear as they seem imho. I don’t know the reason why the rule is in place, so it’s hard to judge what is the “Spirit of the rule”. If it is to keep people from standing in front of a residential lawn, that makes sense - however, i’ve had SFPRPs by the current common definition that just are on the main road where i live. The houses to the left and right are multi family homes, so they would be fine, but some just have one family living inside. And its not like the houses are smaller in any way.
Irrelevant. Long-term rentals are businesses. Whoever rents the property does not own it. A property that is a long-term rental for a single family is still SFPRP even though that family doesn’t own it. The issue is residence not ownership.
There are some key diffrences tho. Renting a house long term is long term, there can be houses where only the renter and the mailman is expected to come near it, while an AirBnB involves the renter, mailman and the owner/a maintenance crew hired by the owner. Most AirBnB reservations are not long term either.
There is no clear black line between non-AirBNB rentals and AirBnB rentals.
Non-AirBnB Rentals can be for 12 months, six months, three months, one month.
AirBnB rentals can be for one day, one week, one month, three months etc.
Some property rentals have grounds staff. For some the owner looks after the garden. This does not change the residence of the property.
I agree with @LuigiGamingLP a lot of these are solely for business. Airbnb here is not long term rentals. Not by any imagination. I don’t know about other countries but here you are talking about a single day or 2 up to a week. During events or summer period this may stretch to usual holiday terms 2-3 weeks. They are owned by investment companies, slush funds, corporations and not single family owners. As I stated a lot of these can be multiple let’s at the same time depending on layout of the property. I understand the usual rules on gated etc. I’m not on about long-term renting like a family renting a house where the term could be 6 months - whatever amount of years, solely Airbnb that could be verified by providing a link to the listing on the site.
Also not asking about submitting the actual property, but I have come across a few Airbnbs with murals on the side on the building, interesting artwork, sculptures etc.
Just looking for clarification as I’ll stick by the SFPRP rules unless clearly told different. Maybe @NianticAaron or someone else could weigh in if they get a chance.
Yeah but thats why i would like clarification on this. Why this rule is in place matters more than the exact wording of the rule.
If this rule is in place to stop awkward situations where trainers show up to a random house every day, that isnt an issue with short term AirBnBs.
Also, if a SFPRP is just on the main road of the place… Thousands of people walk by daily, so this would not be an issue.
I’d like the clarification to be in the wayfarer criteria page, not (just) here, so everyone using the wayfarer page has easy access to it and new people know this without browsing the forum.
This is not relevant. There are houses near me where thousands of people walk past daily. They’re still SFPRP.
How can you tell me that this is irrelevant without knowing the reason for the rule? Yes, by the current definition of the rule this is irrelevant. But maybe it’s worth asking if the definition is the best solution to the problem this rule tries to solve.
Cause if this rule is designed to keep Trainers away from “American Suburb” style SFPRPs, the current definition is pretty bad, since it includes way more than necessary and potentially does not include houses it definetely should include, simply cause there technically are 2 families living in a remote house.
If this rule is for a diffrent reason, that would be good to know too.
The rule is not about American Suburbs, since it applies globally. The SFPRP rule is specifically about SFPRP. The community understanding is that there was a legal situation some years back. As part of the legal resolution, Niantic agreed to implement processes to prevent wayspots being added to SFPRP, including anything on or attached to the external boundary.
Whether that legal case specifically referenced SFPRP I cannot comment on, but it is clear that multi-family residences are OK as are business etc.
You might claim that single-family rentals are not SFPRP, but that is a dubious claim that Niantic would likely disagree with.
Most AirBnBs are vacant unless it’s rented to someone for a few days, and the AirBnB host usually qualifies as a buisness, selling access to that house for a few days. It has more in common with a Hotel than a SFPRP.
Hotels are not SFPRP, simply because they have multiple occupancy. This does not compare to a single-occupancy rental.
Re: Private Residences, Farmland & K-12
I’d like to put an emphasis towards shared community spaces. Residential businesses exist in many forms. Residential businesses still have locations intended just as the residence for one party of occupants, in which case may be subject to the rejection criterion.
IMO painting AirBnBs as one concrete category that is always eligible (or not) would not be accurate for all circumstances. It may be better to review these on a case-by-case basis. Hinging on commonalities with related categories still result to a hit-or-miss scenario, it comes to the specifics to see the distinction.
IMO: I would not accept an Hotel just because it was an Hotel. Most people go there to sleep.
If the Hotel has communal areas such as a Pool, Dining Room / Restaurant, Gym etc then these are what make it eligible.
If an AirBnB has similar facilities then I could see it as eligible otherwise it’s just somewhere to shower / sleep and I would Reject.
The discussion has been about features on the external surface, such as murals or other artwork. Do you feel these are eligible if on AirBnB properties?
Personally, if the type of building was something that was made as a SFPRP and it was likely that a single family would be the likely occupants at any 1 time then I would be likely Reject or Skip. As I have not had 1 in review I have not had to make that decision.
My comment was more about previous comments that seemed to be stating…
Hotel = Accept
AirBnB = Little Hotel = Accept
Which is not what I would agree with…
I got one nomination accepted on appeal, where the object was a pool in a short term rental villa. I did provide evidence that this was a commercial rental villa.
You may not like my thoughts on this. IMO, I think it’s ultimately up to the nominator to convince reviewers that the building (home/AirBNB) is not a single family home and does meet criteria as a great place to be social, explore or exercise.
I would expect each such property to have its own unique characteristics. A hard and fast, absolute, statement from Niantic won’t be adequate. Wayfarer can be frustratingly subjective.
I can be swayed to either position.
Is this a (very short term) rental property occupied by a single family or person? In that case, it’s not eligible.
Is this something akin to an inn or “bed and breakfast”? Can it be so, if only rented to one party? In this case it may be eligible…. if it meets criteria.
Is the home subdivided and let out to several groups of people? Then, it may be eligible but it would be up to the submitter to prove this.
My personal preference is not to nominate such possible POIs. I see it as a difficult thing to get past reviewers. There is a bed and breakfast near me that’s in an historic home whose provenance I can support with documentation. It even has a sign in front of it saying it’s a bed and breakfast. Still, I’ve been holding off on a nomination.
Honestly, this might be the best answer for this, at least for what we have lol
That being said, the last part is exactly why i want a bit of clarification on this. Just to know why the rule is in place.