Yeah catching shundos. But you need pokestops to refresh your item bag (Or spend money, yeah right).
Unpaid labor equals inconsistent results.
I would just like the rules be followed for everyone. But I see pokestop at houses, fire hydrants all the time, and for every post like mine there are a dozen others complaining about there nominations being denied for the incorrect things.
And I should report the inappropriate ones? Yeah right, more like reap the reward of a bad job done by somebody.
You want everyone to follow the rules, but you don’t want to report the ones that break the rules? I am confused. I think having the ones that break the rules removed is a great educational tool.
Paid employees reviewing our nominations!!
Not looking for pokestops. But I am sure a programmer could write a program that could identify nearly all the pokestops now. So that might not be a bad idea also.
Wayspots are not allowed on single family private residential property, or SFPRP, so you can report these for removal.
Also inelibible as they may obstruct emergency services, so removal requests should also be made.
We have ways to remove Wayspots that don’t meet criteria.
AI isn’t that advanced yet, and we do have an AI system, ML, and it can make mistakes from time to time. It’s called ML as in Machine Learning, as it’s always learning, especially from us that participate in Wayfarer.
Also, if there was a program that looked for all bus stops in the world and add Wayspots, well, my hometown would be out of luck, as we don’t have public transit.
If you can’t provide any examples of nominations you have had rejected, I don’t know how much more help we can be here. Continuing to argue without any evidence is just going to go around in circles.
That sounds like an intersting idea. Can you explain more about what you think it should be identifying?
Have you got some examples please.
It’s hard to comment without seeing examples. It would help us understand views you are expressing by seeing examples of wrong decisions.
There is an appeal system that recognises things may not be perfect. Have you had positive results with that?
I had to appeal an ML rejection this week myself, it just got approved last night. There is no system that is ever going to be perfect. I like community review because the goal is consensus, not one and done. If I have done all my job as a submitter, then the reviewers should have a clear path to acceptance.
Also, I’m now imagining a meeting of Friends using their discernment to make decisions on Pokestops.
The wayfar criteria.
This could be problematic, as a program could end up adding Wayspots to the map that it believes meets criteria, but it actually is at an ineligible location, such as a K-12 school instead of the city owned park nearby. Not all locations in the world have boundary maps available online, so the program could see a playground and believe it’s eligible, add a Wayspot there, but it’s actually on K-12 school property.
Same thing could happen at a very large SFPRP with a playground or a pool, something that may be eligible, but is located at an ineligible location.
Wayfarer Criteria is rather expansive and there is no single list. It would be very difficult (but not impossible!) for that analysis to be made by a program.
Similarly, I think there’s a level of fun in the process of discovering Wayspots. A local community gets to decide what to submit and what gets highlighted from their area to be great places to play rather than a program arbitrarily assigning what the developer thought was eligible.
If you come to indonesia or india you should see many imported pokestop. Niantic are testing on how to import these to improve gameplay. In other part of the world tniantic are testing import bus stop as well
Sadly paid employee is impossible to review all nomination ard the world. I start nomination 11 years ago. Back then nomination took 2 months to get approved, it kept going…3months, 4months, until i need 2 years to get approved. Thats how wayfarer created to help review.
I do think the system works pretty well personally and I do spend hours submitting and reviewing wayspots because I like that part of the game.
Overall I think it works pretty well, but in some areas there has been systematic abuse where invalid wayspots have been submitted and then approved by a voting ring. As others have said, if the wayspot is on a SFPRP, obstructs emergency operations or is fake then they really should be reported. These do sound like abuse, it is perhaps an attempt to manipulate the game or games to give an unfair advantage over other players and you really do need to report it for anything to be done about it.
Also I have had wayspots rejected for the stupidest of reasons in the past, only to have them easily accepted later. This makes me suspicious that some voting rings also try to keep wayspots out of the game.
I don’t believe abuse to be a widespread issue, but we’ve seen instances (often posted on the forum) where entire communities are over-run with fake or bad wayspots. Staff do take this abuse very seriously, but again it needs reporting. As well as filing a report in PoGo, you can use “Reporting Abuse” option at the top of the forum to file more complex reports.
On submissions it can be hard to know what makes a good wayspot or not when you are starting out. Forum members can certainly help if you have questions about individual submissions and whether they are worth doing or could be improved.
I have mentioned this before 
IMO The ML (AI, eMiLy) should be used to help but not make decisions either when nominating, reviewing or both.
“You look to be nominating a Playpark. Criteria is…”
“You look to me Reviewing a Mural / Graffiti. Criteria is…”
If everyone reviewing a slide in the playpark is told that its 1 for the whole playpark and not for each individual piece of equipment but still Accept this is obvious Abuse and “I wasn’t aware” is no longer an excuse.
Hi @MIIG899
It seems that you don’t want to reveal your general location and also don’t want to show one of your rejected submissions to work on. That’s perfectly fine.
To although try to help you I’ll list some items with a high chance of approval (be aware never on school property or SFPRP):
(*) these can be a bit harder to get through but they’re often eligible.
If you find something like this in your surrounding your chances will increase.
If yes, take a good main photo which clearly centers the object, than go further away and make the same photo again (object is shown with context of it’s surrounding).
Make a brief but correct title and description. Use your supporting information to clear out every possible doubt (eg it’s not on private property see the ringbells…, streetview is not available but you can see xy for context…) and/or to describe how your suggestion fullfills one or more of the three core criterias (good place to explore, excercise or being social).
I’m pretty certain that if Niantic start paying the salaries for hundreds of people then that cost is going to be passed onto players. They will probably receive no better training or guidelines than the community currently does so I doubt its going to have the effect you think it will, particularly as the reviewers also need to have local knowledge.
I’ve had a few pokestops accepted straight away and quite a few more rejected, I enjoy the effort it requires, this is a grinding game after all. The consistancy of acceptance is not perfect but its not something that can be easily fixed by throwing money around or programming (I am one by the way and their use of AI and map overlays is as good as it gets really).
If its so easy to get private property or fire hydrants through then why don’t you try nominating some? I suspect they may be from a few years ago when the process was more lenient but they may also be acceptable as historic etc, its hard to say without seeing examples.
If you don’t enjoy the process of adding stops or reporting those that you’re not happy with then this part of the game just isn’t for you. There’s a lot of us that do enjoy it and I’m glad that the community is strict because I’ve seen some awful ones.
Hi! I can feel your frustration coming through in your posts - it’s awful when you are getting things rejected that you genuinely thought would make a good waypoint then see things in the game you KNOW are ineligible. I do understand why you don’t want to report them - if you don’t have many stops, you don’t want to get the few you have removed! If you don’t enjoy nominating them don’t do it - not everyone does. We have a reasonable community locally - but there’s pretty much only me and 1 other lady who regularly nominates things. That’s ok though, I’ve enjoyed learning what makes a good waypoint, and how to write a nomination to give me the best chance for approval. This does take time, but I’m happy to give my time up to improve the area for the community. I can promise you I’ve never paid anyone to approve my nominations though - I don’t even know how that would work as you can’t guarantee who will see the noms to approve anyway!
As others have already said, feel free to share examples of a rejected nomination here and we can help you improve it if we think it should be accepted… or we can tell you why we think it’s ineligible (sometimes the rejection reasons you get don’t make sense so this might help you).
Honestly though - it’s not worth getting stressed out about. If it’s causing you stress, don’t do it. If you want to try again, it’s worth putting a bit of time into writing your supplemental info for the reviewers - that’s your chance to convince them of why your nomination should be accepted and how it fits the 3 criteria (is it a GREAT place to exercise, explore or socialise). Find links online to support your nominations - eg if it’s a named walking trail, find the website for it, a listed building? Link to the listing online! Include a bit of the history in your item description. If it’s a piece of artwork, try to include who the artist is.
Good luck.