What is the best way to prove a location for edit inside building?

[jupkmn]

Recently I submited two location edit sugetions that are places inside a big mall and they both were not accepted. I am pretty sure I put them in the right place because I can orientate by the satellite view and the roof structure. And one of the edits was because the wayspot was marked outside the mall were is clearly a parking lot. What could I do?

[cyndiepooh]

Niantic has suggested splats:

Leveling Up Your Appeals and Removal Reports

Hello Explorers, Thank you for helping us welcome Scaniverse to the Niantic family. In an effort to help our Wayfarer community, we’ll be leveraging this cutting-edge technology and start accepting links to unlisted or public gaussian splats as evidence (supporting statements) for locations takedown reports and contributions appeals. As many of you know, it can be a huge pain point in areas where Google Street view is not up to date or satellite view isn’t sufficient. Adding an unlisted or pub…

If you can’t do those, you can take geo-tagged photos.

You could try asking help chat (Niantic Wayfarer) to do the location edit where you can give them the extra information instead of submitting in game. And I haven’t done this, but I have been told that the form linked for Wayspot Removals can be used to start a chain of emails where you can supply this evidence. If you use that form, do not reply to the automated email asking for proof you are the property owner and wait for a person to respond.

[MargariteDVille]

I feel like ALL indoor malls have messed up locations. Nomination GPS isn’t great under a big metal roof - and was worse years ago, so placement gets off. I appreciate your desire to try to straighten one out!

We can’t attach a splat or picture to a location move in game. But we can include links to them on an appeal of a rejected move. But we only get 2 appeals every 20 days.

The other option is to collect location-stamped pictures and/or splats, and submit them all together thru the help chat.

It’s a project I’ve considered doing when it’s too cold to walk outside - an extra reason to get in my car and go walking at the mall. It has more than 2 wayspots that need correcting. It’s gonna take a spreadsheet.

[EONloveu]

In early of this November, I have used Scaniverse for all six applications I have had in shopping malls and I am 100% sure they are qualified items and the location is correct.

However, no reply was received from Emily at all.

[RoIi112]

Scaniverse scans arent used in reviewing

[EONloveu]

So what is that used for?

[shritwod]

If the shopping mall has a map available on the web, then that can be used to confirm the location. For example, if the POI is near a certain shop or shops, include those in the supporting photo.

[nexushoratio]

My local mall has similar issues. And GPS inside STILL sucks; getting a reliable geotagged image is not going to happen.

Up until a few weeks ago, in Ingress at least, when using the in-game map, the “Map” view would include the walls of my local mall, just like Google Maps does.

I’d filed a feature request against Wayfarer to also display said walls. That way one could at least verify that a mural was against a wall rather in the middle of the concourse.

Now, they’re missing from both tools. :-/

If lucky, one of the mapping services will have decent internal maps of the building that can be used with satellite views to get good placement, and evidence for corrections. And even with that information, and armed with personally taken photos showing something was in wrong spot and where it should go, I’ve had appeals denied.

I’ve been trying a few spots moved for months, using a combination of appeals here (before they could be done on wayfarer), appeals in wayfarer, and simple resubmissions in hope someone would vote on the right one, and the chat >10m move process. In my experience, you can expect it take several months to get any given wayspot in a mall corrected (and this goes for removals as well as correct placement). I’d say expect to have to keep working at it for a very long time and to be continually frustrated by the process.

[DTrain2002]

Here’s the brief info on what Scaniverse is from the welcome post:

@NianticTintino

Scaniverse splats are high-quality 3D contributions that form the building blocks of a spatial platform that others can build on top of, as well as just being interesting and fun to browse around. You can use either or both, as you prefer.

It’s another platform to do AR scans, or splats, as they are called, and the locations scanned do not have to have Wayspots, just publically accessible.

@NianticTintino

With Niantic Scaniverse, you can scan any location as long as it’s a public place and follows our guidelines.

Here’s the full welcome post:

Welcome Scaniverse Discussion

Hey Explorers, We have a new addition to the Niantic family and you’re all warmly invited to be some of the very first to contribute gaussian splats directly to the Niantic Map, using the Niantic Scaniverse app. With Niantic Scaniverse, you can scan any location as long as it’s a public place and follows our guidelines. Once scanned, you’re good to share it to the map directly. It takes just a few minutes to scan, process, and upload a 3D image using cutting-edge Gaussian splatting technology.…

Splats can be used for appeals, and they are also encouraged to be used for removal requests, but not required.

Leveling Up Your Appeals and Reports - Discussion

Hello Explorers, Thank you for helping us welcome Scaniverse to the Niantic family. In an effort to help our Wayfarer community, we’ll be leveraging this cutting-edge technology and start accepting links to unlisted or public gaussian splats as evidence (supporting statements) for locations takedown reports and contributions appeals. As many of you know, it can be a huge pain point in areas where Google Street view is not up to date or satellite view isn’t sufficient. Adding an unlisted or pub…

Otherwise, when reviewing, we are not shown splats for any edits; with location edits we are shown the title/description, main photo, and map with the choices of where best the Wayspot should be.

[elijustrying]

An issue with the splats is that it currently shows user name so potentially could be interpreted as submitter identifiable. Thus at the moment they are not recommended for submissions.

Leveling Up Your Appeals and Reports - Discussion

Thanks for sharing the video and great idea on the nomination supporting statement, this is definitely where we’re heading to. But we’re not pushing for that just yet as currently Scaniverse splats (even unlisted) are associated with the user profile. As submissions are supposed to be anonymous we cannot allow reviewers to be influenced by the submitter’s identity and the submitter to divulge it.

So if you do share the splat link in the supplementary there is a risk it could be interpreted like this.
There was a similar issue with photospheres.

[DTrain2002]

They aren’t talking about new Wayspot submissions, but edits, especially location edits. They were thinking that splats are being used to correct locations for indoor Wayspots, but splats aren’t used in Wayfarer except for edit appeals and removal requests.

They thought that by submitting splats at their local mall they would be used to correct the location of some of the Wayspots there, but this isn’t the case.

Besides, most of the links I come across while reviewing are to show that a business is local and not generic/chain, map of a trail, some kind of additional supporting info. Haven’t seen any splat links yet while reviewing, but it’s possible others have.

[RoIi112]

The person never mentioned “edits” they mentioned “applications” and additional context in that message makes sense for new nominations rather than edits.

[DTrain2002]

Ok, well, I missed that, as the OP is referring to edits, not new nominations.

[AgentX1976]

I have had success by using the help chat on the Wayfarer website. I ask for for a location edit then use my GPS camera to get a photo with the GPS coordinates superimposed on the picture to show the correct location.