Also to note, “Martin’s Run” Is the name of the housing development, but also is the name of the creek itself that runs from the edge of the county all the way to Lake Erie. There are several signs/parks that reference this creek by name, and several are already POIs in town. This is specifically for the Wetland Restoration Complex/Park off of Cooper Foster Park Rd.
Keep in mind that the suggestions in this thread are made to help you achieve a desired result.
I have mentioned that detail as your input can greatly point reviewers who may encounter the site away from the website’s information. I am just suggesting that if you don’t mention your input inside the nomination, that opens a possibility that reviewers will follow the site’s information without forewarning.
Perhaps reviewers should use such scrutiny with every other POI they review, like art, businesses, and murals. They might not be there forever, so better not approve them! /s
Truly, a project means a park was developed. The park isn’t going anywhere! That’s a huge assumption/fallacy on the part of reviewers. There’s nothing insinuating that this is temporary whatsoever. Once a wetland was restored, it’s now a wetland. What on earth are yall talking about.
I cannot even tell what you are talking about right now. What are you describing?
The web submit is a new feature that has incorporated suggestions for improving its predecessor. While both features have differences, both are accessible for Wayfinders to use.
We are not mentioning suggestions because you are wrong. Only that the attempt does have room for improvements.
Say for example the reviewer encountered that website or similarly named sites to check your nomination, you can mention in the supporting that other sites of the same name may happen to be by the stream. This is to avoid confusion over the similarly named sites.
This advice IMO is given to keep your expectations based on the experience of this Wayfinder regarding similar signs. It is not indication that this Wayfinder or any commenting on this thread agrees with the potential opinion.
Showing you what is likely to be the bottlenecks for this attempt and how/what to present the information better. Fool proofing the submission so you can get better results.
I didn’t understand a single thing you have said, sorry. What opinion are you talking about? Bottleneck? What? I feel like you think you are being informative but you are being soooo wordy that I can’t follow. I just want advice on how to resubmit this POI so that the park has a better chance to be approved…
They’re showing you what reviewers likely might be thinking about this sign. We’re just here to close the holes that your nomination has based on our experience.
Take and apply the advice or leave it.
I understand that you are frustrated, and I almost didn’t reply again, but I would really love to be able to help.
Can we go back all the way to the beginning? What was your title? It may not make that much difference to you, but whether you submit the Wayspot as a “Sign” or as a “Park” does make a difference to reviewers. We already talked about why the sign is considered generic except as representing the place, so you need to make it clear that you are just using the sign as a visual anchor to represent the place. (People may not be able to actually state it in those words, but this is the case with all “entrance to park” type signs. Those may have “Sign” in the title, but it is clearer that they are permanent signs representing a recreational park, so it is easier for reviewers to accept those.)
So now you need to figure out how to convince that this location meets criteria. The website you linked does not indicate that this is meant to be used as a park to me: https://www.locobroh.com/lorain19 . This just describes the restoration effort, and usually they want to keep people out of places they are restoring. Do you have a different link that shows this is to be used as a park for recreation?
I have already suggested how you could point out the bench and footbridge on street view to indicate the use as a park. If you have evidence that the intended use of the Martin’s Run Wetland and Stream Restoration Project is intended to be used as a park, then you could try again. If you do not have that evidence, you could still submit the other things you want to submit there that are clearly for public use.
I can’t see any of the stuff on street view to know exactly where it is on satellite view - @wooperIooper is very good with maps and may be able to help more with that. But I wanted to ask if you are familiar with how Pokemon Go uses S2 cells? It looks like the things I can see may all be in the same level 17 S2 cell, or at most 2 of them, so it may be just as good for Pokemon Go purposes to just submit the other things you want to submit.
Showing the cells is kind of hard but the Apple Maps satellite imagery is more current so I’m able to pick some stuff out, and we can match them to the cell lines by using the blue roof on the right. The circle at the very top should be the sign, the one below is the bench, the oval is the footbridge and the arrow points to the trail
This is the footbridge
The bench and sign
Not sure where the other signs I found are, but there is something here?
This is my best guess, I’m in the car rn so don’t have my laptop (not driving, don’t worry)
This might help you, might not 
Every wayspot has to meet Exercise, Social and/or Exploration criteria. It has to strongly encourage exercise, be a great place to be social and/or a great place to explore.
Some POI are easy because it’s obvious to almost everyone that they meet one of these. Murals are a good example (not graffiti, but authorised murals), such as this one:
With something like that, you can almost write nothing at all, because it’s an instance acceptance (once accessibility is confirmed).
Churches are also easy as they meet Social and often Exploration criteria. Similarly pubs in the UK.
Trail markers meet Exercise criteria, as do gyms, outdoor fitness stations, football fields, sports grounds etc.
Some POI are harder because they aren’t instantly obvious. With those, it is worth spending more time writing a good description, once you have determined that it does meet criteria. It can also be worth describing (in the supporting text) whether it meets Exercise, Social or Exploration and how it does this, as this helps to focus the minds of the reviewers and show them which box to tick.
Everyone who has posted is trying to help, even if it is hard for you to interpret. When someone comes on here genuinely looking for help, people definitely want to help
Look at a wayspot photo and ask yourself:
Does it show me something that is great for exercise?
Does it show me a great place to be social?
Does it show me something jnteresting to explore and tell people about?
If it doesnt, it might still be eligible, but you need to pre-empt rejection by explaing how it is eligible.
The park itself occupies at least 6 different cells, I’ve opened a cell map and walked around it. The Entrance Sign and Parking lot are the only ones that would be in this 7th cell. The bench and bridge would be in the first cell below it, so one or the other could be a POI but not both. There is nothing distinct except a cool rock in at least 4 or 5 of the other cells. Was just hoping to make the park entrance/this sign/the parking lot a POI because otherwise, It’d just be the bridge as the only other eligible POI in this whole wetland and its trails. I would love to be able to play while I walk here, as it’s quiet and shaded more than other parks around. It is what it is. I guess you can’t make a park/its entrance sign a POI unless you played in the early days before rules…
Yes, it’s great for exercise. Yes, it’s permanently a park now that they’ve restored it to public access land. It’s jsut as interesting as any other park. I really shouldn’t have to over-explain how you can explore or exercise at a park. But that was included in the original description… I guess I got unlucky with some ultra-picky reviewers on this one.
It sounds like the solution is to just add photos of this location on google maps so that when people are reviewing it, there’s more pre-loaded Google Maps info. Also seems like I just need to resubmit as the wetland and completely leave the words “Restoration Project” out of the title/description so as not to Immediately Flag the super fickle reviewers.
So, I fear my city is just too lazy to check back on their sites and make sure they are up to date. I can find numerous journalist/news online reports that confirm this is an open park to the public, but then they all link back to that city site with that 2022 date on it. LOL. But even Ohio Coaster Management toured it and reiterated that it’s open… then linked back to that outdated link from the city.
Another article highlighting this park, the Chronolog project for water levels going on here, and tlaking about how they want people to visit and contribute to the data. It’s not a closed reservation. It’s a restored wetland and stream with trails for public visitors. The path to becoming a citizen scientist can start with a snapshot
AND i just emailed the city to update the website and they DID! Martin's Run Wetland Complex | Lorain, OH
The 2022 date is now gone and they added a line to encourage folks to visit:
“Stop by the site, take a walk, and snap some images at our photo station… and make sure to upload them to help us track site changes over time!”
I can also include my emails with the CIty Engineer confirming this is a public-access wetland intended to be visited by the public… Would including my emails help get this approved as a POI the next time I submit?
I do think the photo station could also be eligible. Perhaps you can persuade them to put up a nature sign that explains stuff about the restoration project and the kinds of flora and fauna that can be found in the area?
Did anyone link this yet?
I think I wouldn’t nominate this simply as a park since it doesn’t look like a stereotypical park, it’s a wetland area that is meant for outdoor recreation. I would use the web submit with loads of photos that prove this is a dedicated space for outdoor recreation and you should be fine
Oh nice work! This should make it clear the public is intended to use the site:
Stop by the site, take a walk, and snap some images at our photo station… and make sure to upload them to help us track site changes over time!