So I help a trainer submit a series of signs (community names) for review becuase there is already a group approved in the area.
All the signs are along a walking path that is open to the public. Yet they keep getting rejected.
2 photos are of the suggested POI and 2 are of already approved.
I reject these when I see them in review unless the submitter convinces me that they are a great place for exercise, exploration, or being social.
We have asked time and time again for Niantic to give a clarification on these signs which many of us here do not see as significant in any way, but some are going live on the map anyway. So far, staff has not obliged with anything I can point to.
Being live does not mean they meet criteria. Just that they were accepted, and that could have been in error.
[Edit: they have turned off ML approvals. Just saying. For now, anyway.]
These kinds of signs donât typically meet the criteria of a great place to socialise, exercise or explore, but unfortunately some slip through the net and get accepted when they shouldnât do.
Rather than nominating what you already see, try to weigh up whether what youâre wanting to nominate meets the criteria of being a great place to socialise, exercise or explore, and also weigh up whether it would meet any of the rejection criteria listed on the wayfarer website.
If you wanted to dig down with each of them, weâd need to see more context. But a few of those, the physical location of the sign doesnât appear to have safe pedestrian access. Iâm thinking of âPlayers Choiceâ and âTradewindsâ - they are both in one of those grassy stretches between roads where traffic is pulling in and out of. Itâs not a place pedestrians would be encouraged to stand about.
The others might as well be signage with the street name on them.
I understood that aspect. And we made notes like
Good location to pause and enjoy a near by mini park
Good location to watch the local wild life
Neighborhood is x% of the way complete if starting at the park.
Agreed and that is why we made notes about distances for those signs. We also made comments about how some communities are positioned near gyms
That is a good start. But there is a difference in being a place you can pause, watch wildlife, or start a walk, and being a great place for it.
Each point would be because there is a group of trainers who walk the loop and there are so many âdeadâ zones that is would benifit from more POI.
And you can walk around my office building too, and it doesnât have any POI!
Thatâs unfortunately not a sufficient argument, as several people have said above, it has to be a great place for these activities, not one where you can do said activity.
Those dead zones might benefit from more POI, but only in the true sense - if there were more real-world objects for the general public to enjoy, then that definitely would be a benefit for all! However, I donât consider these neighborhood signs to be true Points of Interest anyway. If one didnât play a Niantic game, would one take a friend to see these awesome signs because theyâre interesting, artistic, or designed for socialization? In-game benefits should not matter: Iâd love a Wayspot in my neighborhood, but there are no eligible POI there so I just walk to the nearest park. We have a fair amount of foot traffic on my street, but that doesnât make the street signs/subdevelopment advertising signs interesting in any way.
I know the prompt tells you that you are submitting a âPokestopâ but you are actually submitting a Wayspot. Helping players play any particular game has no impact on it meeting criteria.
Must meet at least one of the three eligibility criteria
- A great place for exploration
- A great place for exercise
- A great place to be social with others
Niantic Wayfarer
Just in case we are overwhelming you with too many replies that may sound negative, it is just to help you be successful in the future. I love that you reached out here, and I love that you are trying to help your community. Please keep asking!
Iâm not sure what notes you mean, but the pin for the nomination must be on the object and you must be able to access the object location. Thatâs why things like aerator spouts in ponds arenât acceptable. I know most of the time we just walk past and spin, but the guidance is such that we need to be able to physically reach the candidate itself.
Im good i postee the question cause i was just confused and i can better translate to the local community as to why
The review process works by checking the merits and demerits of that specific object being nominated/reviewed wrt criteria. This is why differences in decisions happen for similar POIs.
It would help better to define how objects are currently used in the real world (not for game use) for socialization, exploration, and exercise for it to have an argument towards eligibility.
THanks for posting @umbrabard
This my view only. I would not accept these. Form of street sign. Not a place to socialise, explore or exercise.
from my experience nearly all cities/towns have dead zones. And for the right reasons.
Now I donât live where you are. So I am not sure how many POIs/Waypoints exist around you. But dotted around the area this is and the golf course are a number of opportunities (yes most near the club house)
Hotel
Bar/Restaunt
Swimming pool
Wellness centrre
Tennis Courts/other courts
Gazebos
At least one footbridge
One side of your golf course has basketball pitches, tennis courts, gazebo. Football pitch (what you may call soccer). Two shopping centres with gym, yoga, dance, restaurants etc either side
Enough green space (not the golf course) all over the shop. And properly listed and described open green space without signage can pass.
I donât think your area is as dead as first thought. Sure not a POI at each street corner⌠But the area as defined as the golf course and its immediate surrounds looks to have a myriad of opportunities for waypoints
In case anyone else knows of opportunities⌠This is Kiln Creek, Newport News, VA.
Good luck @umbrabard and let us know how you go
I full understand we are not as âdeadâ as some areas.
I was trying to help the guy whom submitted why they were being rejected.
As to the golf course that is private and they have ssked us not to play PoGo their unless we are members or visiting members as a old PoGo group caused damage.
@umbrabard not trying to have an arguement. the nominations you trying to provide help on - on a whole do not cut it. I said dead zones as that is what you called it. and in my post I was pointing to other potentials.
As for Kiln saying you cannot nominate everything I suggested. Really. As most of it is not even on the golf course and many of them not part of the Kiln Community area
. And they personally told you not to do this⌠And if the old PoGo group caused damage. Hope they got prosecuted. And if intefering with play will Niantic clearly state against that. Both playing and nominating. Idiots.
Now that said. Kiln Golf Club is open to the public. I can join the gym/wellness centre, not the golf course and not be part of the community. Same as accessing Nest that rather nice restuarant beer house (they have a kids menu so not 18+ only establishement)
Me. I donât buy it. And most of the nominations I suggested sit outside the golf course. Again have all those been done. And to help for ones not on the golf course. Kiln creek community has a nice map of playgrounds, trails and activity centres including off their community grounds. https://www.kilncreek.org/map
Oh when they say Kiln Creek no play. ALL 31 housing community neighbourhoods make up Kiln Creek. So will assume they talking about all their community land. Including the road signage nominations you seeking your friends help on.
My point is. The signs are dubious. Others here say the same. It appears the area and surrounds are rich in POI potentials. Have they been nominated? Go for the low hanging fruit first.
You say there is a walking loop/path . Where is this? Perhaps we can help?
Yeah i understand what you said both times.
And yes we have submitted as many of the POI you mentioned, with exceptions to ones in questionavle areas, the School grounds or 1 playground was near a RSO (registered s** offender) location.
As for the âclubâ area we have submitted what we can but i know someone emailed Ninatic with a letter from the golf club requesting us to no play there.
But we digress, I can agree a majority of the signs are in âislandsâ and directly dont meet the requirements. As for the others the issues stands that when they reject them for critera yet a similar sign is approved in a whorse location it beggs the question why.
Side i dont see what you said as argumentative at all, it was very informative to get others input cause when i explain to that group why it is a âdead-zoneâ its not just me its others also.
We cannot use what exists as a stable benchmark for what is currently eligible. Several other methods of getting game objects may not reflect Wayfarer at all.
The review process and removal is imperfect as well which leaves some accepted but not exactly acceptable going through. Best you can do for reviewing and submitting nominations is still to point how the POI reflects the eligibility criteria as it is now.
What I say about this is usually that the gameboard reflects the real world. An area with less places for leisure and the like also get reflected back in the games. We canât expect the gameboard to change without movement from real life. IMO thatâs part of the appeal with augmented reality gaming.
